SK Race question + item help (have never played a tank)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Iksar and Troll are both good. The min/max trade off is AC vs Bash/Higher STA. The BE stuff is the tits while leveling, but a novelty at 60.

But as said before, the real problem with Iksar is looking like a clown when you swing your Palladius.

Greenmist is also a novelty at 60, Epic is simply better, and it's not worth stacking both DoTs. If you're a Troll you get Blood Ember and Epic. If you have raid gear you don't need the 25 MR on Greenmist, you can get alternatives to get 255 MR.

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know what's worse? Shamans 4-12.

Not sure what you mean. Level 4-12?

[Keebz]

Most raids there's an excess of classes like Shaman, Necro, Druid, etc. A redundant caster is much worse than a sub-optimal melee.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most raids there's an excess of classes like Shaman, Necro, Druid, etc. A redundant caster is much worse than a sub-optimal melee.

Yes, both Shamans and Shadowknights are typically swapped out for other characters. Many classes end up this way. However, more Shamans = more people who can slow on hard mobs like Vulak. So there is always a need for multiple Shamans. It's also good to have more Shamans for buff sessions.

Shadowknights have some niche in VP now if you are keyed, but generally speaking Shadowknights are also swapped out most of the time as well. The problem is Shadowknights generally aren't tanking or pulling, and their DPS is minimal. They bring less to the table than any other class sadly. I wish this wasn't the case, I enjoy Shadowknights. I am simply telling people the truth, this has been the raid meta for years.

[Snaggles]

Yet again for pages we go, justifying decisions rather than seeing different flavors (perks) or our creation screen choices.

You can’t compare the epic to the greenmist. One if you buy MQ’s is around 150k. The other is maybe 15k and you can duo the golem fight.

I wouldn’t roll iksar for the 2h swing animation or the exp penalty. Most my 60’s get parked shortly after they ding with some basic gear. So my pick would likely be a DE, Eru, or Human. Fashion, eventually an epic, call it a day.

Anyone who backwards constructs their race pick for BE clicks is really reaching. Just say you like being ____ ; people have been trying to prove what is best for 20+ years. A bunch of garbage clicks on stat-less armor isn’t a game changer. Blood Ember does look cool….I’d wear a set on a fashion alt more than I’d click it.

True end game SK is gear and mana. Some like Keerarae can solo Charok, crypt, and cliff golems. In that regard a troll’s regen is false confidence over having all that extra mana for drain soul casts.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yet again for pages we go, justifying decisions rather than seeing different flavors (perks) or our creation screen choices.

You can’t compare the epic to the greenmist. One if you buy MQ’s is around 150k. The other is maybe 15k and you can duo the golem fight.

I wouldn’t roll iksar for the 2h swing animation or the exp penalty. Most my 60’s get parked shortly after they ding with some basic gear. So my pick would likely be a DE, Eru, or Human. Fashion, eventually an epic, call it a day.

Anyone who backwards constructs their race pick for BE clicks is really reaching. Just say you like being ____ ; people have been trying to prove what is best for 20+ years. A bunch of garbage clicks on stat-less armor isn’t a game changer. Blood Ember does look cool….I’d wear a set on a fashion alt more than I’d click it.

True end game SK is gear and mana. Some like Keerarae can solo Charok, crypt, and cliff golems. In that regard a troll’s regen is false confidence over having all that extra mana for drain soul casts.

I am simply posting the facts, it isn't justification or any other ulterior motive you pull out of thin air.

Blood Ember + a good weapon is better than Greenmist. That is a fact.

Epic is better than Greenmist when you get it, and the first fact above means you can skip Greenmist altogether. This is also a fact.

You are correct true endgame SK is gear and mana. Blood Ember = more mana. This is a fact too.

There is no endless circle of trying to prove what is best. It has been proven for 10+ years. People simply have strange ideas about how the game works, and muddy the water with their false assumptions.

[Ripqozko]

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[Snaggles]

Blood Ember COSTS you peak mana in the example I mentioned. Nobody is killing anything tough with engulfing darkness and boot clicks (or likely mediocre without being frustrated). You can’t even fear it…it’s tap-quest.

Saying “it’s a fact” doesn’t make it a fact. Words like “better” mean very little. Context is everything.

Greenmist has attributes for a good tank weapons in the game. HP, STR and AC Tap. Aggro proc (btw Disease Cloud was nerfed bad). 25Mr. Tolerable ratio. It’s situational but still has its place and is easy to get. If you raid use a flurry, sev shield, or something like an Aary. If not go loot an Ashenbone in Kithicor.

I see a lot of Iksars use it for tanking who also have the epic and ToV stuff. So they are wrong too if your facts are literally such. I’ll tell them about the free lvl 22 and 30 spells they are missing out on.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Blood Ember COSTS you peak mana in the example I mentioned. Nobody is killing anything tough with engulfing darkness and boot clicks (or likely mediocre without being frustrated). You can’t even fear it…it’s tap-quest.

Blood Ember doesn't cost you mana, that doesn't make sense.

Here is a simple example. Blood Ember Greaves save you 60 mana per FD. When singling out a mob, most of the time you don't need to use Death's Peace or spell FD. If you need to FD 20 times per hour to single out mobs, that is already the equivalent of a Flowing Thought II item.

If you are pairing Gloves with that, you have 2x Flowing Thought II items. Saving 2400 mana per hour means 12 less minutes of sitting and meditating. I use Blood Ember Gloves/Greaves all the time. Boots are more situational, but they still save me mana after the initial fear on living mobs.

Even when killing hard, unfearable mobs, those mobs are not always alone. You need to spend mana to split the mobs.

If you are talking about killing single, unfearable mobs like Cliff Golems, Blood Ember Greaves are still great mana savers. You can FD to let your pet take some damage and come back up without spending mana. You're not going to use Greenmist on Cliff Golems. The DPS loss is not worth the DoT, and typically you want Epic for Cliff Golems anyway since it is simply better.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Blood Ember doesn't cost you mana, that doesn't make sense.

The difference between a set of Skyshrine armor and Blood Ember is like 330 peak mana (full before the fight). Not to mention other stats. That’s almost 1.5 drain souls. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The difference between a set of Skyshrine armor and Blood Ember is like 330 peak mana (full before the fight). Not to mention other stats. That’s almost 1.5 drain souls. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

You don't need to constantly wear the Blood Ember. You can just use that 330 mana to summon your pet, and then you'll never be at max mana again. If your constantly fighting (which is optimal), you aren't going to ever get that 330 mana back. So better mana management/regen via Clickies and Flowing Thought items is giving you way more mana in the long run.

Again, if you use FD/Snare 20 times per hour to split mobs, you are already saving 2400 mana. That's much bigger than 330 mana. That's 10 Drain Souls.