Mithril 2h sword vs Baton of faith

[slow2]

Which one wins?

Mithril is 21/40 with 31% haste. Which is effectively 21/28.

Baton is 30/40.

Maybe i don't get how this all works, but are they the same DPS? Other than cost is there one reason or another you would prefer one?

These are my thoughts:

Both are rated at 40 delay, and therefore get the same delay bonus. But the mithril seems to take the edge considering it has an effective delay of 28 with the same bonus damage. This is a very very slim amount of damage, but it will add up over the course of a fight presumably.

[Lorraine]

Basically it's the price difference between the two weapons, but -

The biggest factor is that you can always benefit from a haste item when you are using a Baton of Faith where as with the Mith2handed not so.

[slow2]

Originally Posted by Lorraine [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Basically it's the price difference between the two weapons, but -

The biggest factor is that you can always benefit from a haste item when you are using a Baton of Faith where as with the Mith2handed not so.

I thought that haste items were stackable?

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by slow2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought that haste items were stackable?

They overwrite each other. Highest % wins.

What you can stack is
1x haste item
1x enchanter/shaman haste cast
1x bard haste

But you can never go beyond a specific level cap, even if they add up higher than it.

[slow2]

Originally Posted by Lorraine [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They overwrite each other. Highest % wins.

What you can stack is
1x haste item
1x enchanter/shaman haste cast
1x bard haste

But you can never go beyond a specific level cap, even if they add up higher than it.

Ahhh, i totally didn't understand it when I read the haste guide. Thanks for the clarification! BoF is starting to look more appealing now.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Lorraine [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They overwrite each other. Highest % wins.

What you can stack is
1x haste item
1x enchanter/shaman/bard_v1 haste
1x bard_v2 haste

But you can never go beyond a specific level cap, even if they add up higher than it.

FTFY. Bard_v2 haste does not exist until the Ervaj lines in Velious (Melody @ 50 and Composition @ 60). The rest of the bard haste songs are v1 (including epic) and do not stack with shaman or enchanter hastes.

Also, bard_v2 haste does not permit you to go above the haste cap for your level, "overhaste" does not exist until the '...of the Vah Shir' line of bard v3 haste released with Luclin.

The wiki haste guide has a link to the Haste cap for given levels:
http://wiki.project1999.org/Haste_Guide#Haste_Caps

Through Velious: 34+% item haste + Speed of the Shissar (66%) = 100% haste (haste cap any L60 and lower). If you only have a bard hasting you, you cannot reach haste cap until Velious with the Ervaj line (35+% item haste + Epic bard (55%) + L60 Ervaj (10%) = 100%). You can never reach the haste cap with Shaman-only haste at L60. Since the haste caps are lower for lower level characters, you can twink and buff haste until you have max haste for the level cap.

@OP: If you do not have a different haste item: Mith 2h > BoF.
If you have a different haste item (FBSS, SotDB, CoF, etc.): BoF > Mith 2h.

[Freakish]

The bard haste icons will stack currently with shaman / enchanter haste. This is because bard haste gives attack and other stats as well and generally only lasts 18 seconds. You may see two haste boxes in your buff bar but only the best haste will affect your swing delay.

[koros]

OP, you're entirely correct. Mith will slightly outdamage the Baton with no additional worn haste item. Once you have one on, the Baton is significantly better.

[Sazzabi]

Originally Posted by koros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP, you're entirely correct. Mith will slightly outdamage the Baton with no additional worn haste item. Once you have one on, the Baton is significantly better.

There is some confusion on how haste works. Even without a haste item the Baton is much much better.

For the Mith 2hander 100% haste would give half delay (20), not 0 delay,
50% haste would give a delay of 30.

31% haste gives a delay of 33.8

A 30/40 weapon will outdamage a 21/33.8 weapon significantly at all levels after lvl 19.

[kunark_lizzie]

haven't looked at haste in a looong time but, i remember item haste affecting damage per hit, not swing delay (swing delay was from spell haste). am i way off with this?