Rangers, decent tanks?

[truzek]

Originally Posted by stormlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Go back to playing your warrior/sk/paladin, numnutz.

I konw that your feel incredibly jealous.

Sure I am jealous of only being able to wear cloth and having the same ac and hp as a pixie lmao.

[guineapig]

My bard has tanked in Lower Guk and SolB now with no problems. If my bard can tank in these zones (not uber gear), so can a ranger.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My bard has tanked in Lower Guk and SolB now with no problems. If my bard can tank in these zones (not uber gear), so can a ranger.

Plate vs. Chain. Although I'm sure a ranger is typically going to have more avoidance and defensive caps than bards, it's hard to make up for plate vs. chain.

[Danth]

"Plate vs. Chain"

Until you reach planar gear, plate classes don't gain much AC over what chain classes can access. Chain quest armor (ivy etched) has the same AC as fine plate and better than bronze. Many slots offer high AC options anyone can wear (azure sleeves, etc). Most chain users have bad AC because they don't focus on it as a stat, favoring offensive stats instead.

In short, Rangers can tank adequately for 1-50. So can Bards and Monks, various caster pets, and correctly-geared Clerics and Shamans. True 'tanks' aren't all that necessary at this stage of the game. Once Kunark and Velious roll around and NPC damage increases faster than player defenses, that becomes another matter.

Veteran players, particularly those who spend too much time raiding, sometimes develop blinders and start to think, "since class X cannot do this in raids, he must not be able to do it, ever." There always has been a sort of trickle-down effect across all MMORPG's where a class's performance at the high end influences the player base's perception of its capabilities at all level ranges. As such, 'myth debunking' threads like this serve a useful purpose.

Danth

[eqholmes]

Originally Posted by Waedawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was waiting for Gretzky to post.

This guy is a fucking monster, my favorite tank 1-50

LOL, thanks Petros, you da man, got to get you some GEBS, efeeti either tonight or tomorrow for sure.

As for truzek he really must have never grouped with a decent ranger, or he is just dumb and jumped on the bandwagon without any real knowledge. In classic a ranger can tank fine except as I said in planes/fg's, stuff that hits 150+. Kunark is a different storey. It starts to become a lot more apparent that rangers are not true tanks, but we aren’t there yet.

[truzek]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sir, speaking as a ranger, I ask you the same question.

If you're a min-maxer (the server is full of them), then no, a ranger isn't ever going to tank good enough for you. Can a ranger hold aggro right alongside a SK and take hits if they have to? Yes. Will it tax the healers mana more? Yes. Are they efficient tanks compared to plate classes? No. If you can't find a War/SK/Pally will a ranger or bard do in a pinch? Yes.

Yes I have played a ranger, I actually have a ranger alt but I also have a warrior main and a paladin alt and let me tell you again compared to them tanking as a ranger is pathetic.

Originally Posted by eqholmes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As for truzek he really must have never grouped with a decent ranger, or he is just dumb and jumped on the bandwagon without any real knowledge.

Read my answer above. And here is the sound of your ranger tanking: SPLAT!

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by truzek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes I have played a ranger, I actually have a ranger alt but I also have a warrior main and a paladin alt and let me tell you again compared to them tanking as a ranger is pathetic.

Wow, comparing a ranger to a warrior.... brilliant.

Now how about comparing a ranger to a bard? Are you telling me that your ranger alt would not be able to tank for an exp group in Guk or Sola?

And if not, what is your ranger wearing AC wise?

[truzek]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow, comparing a ranger to a warrior.... brilliant.

Not only a warrior but also paladins and sks (a.k.a. real tanks) isn't that the topic here? Rangers who think they can tank?

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now how about comparing a ranger to a bard?

Why compare a ranger to a bard? One is a dps class another is a utility class. I would compare a ranger to a rogue and a bard to a chanter, that would be a more accurate comparison.

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you telling me that your ranger alt would not be able to tank for an exp group in Guk or Sola?

Ranger alt is wearing full ivy and Ebony Bladed Swords and no I wouldn't let him tank for a group because he is a mana sponge.

[Sparkin]

Also, ranger tanking in Kunark shouldn't be quite as bad here as people remember it on live. The low ranger defensive cap was the main reason why rangers got their asses handed to them so badly in Kunark. It was ridiciulously low; I don't remember exactly but somewhere around 200 when plate tanks had caps of 240-250. Sometime in Velious the ranger cap was raised to 230ish, and it made a noticeable difference. That will be the cap here from the day Kunark opens, so it shouldn't be quite as bad.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

I spat my drink all over my screen when I read the title, lol sorry moving on.