Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[t0lkien]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't start this rhetoric no one wants anyone disbanded. There are grudges I am sure on both sides of the fence in several guilds. I ask you what I asked Sericx. Looking at the mechanics. With variance with extended windows that require tracking and getting a raid force to a mob....FTE shouts letting guilds know who won the race... Show a viable reason why training another guild is needed. Just 1 viable reason why it should still be in the game at this point.

Raw undiluted spite?

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by t0lkien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Raw undiluted spite?

lol is that viable though ? For competition that is.

[Laugher]

This issue should also be discussed by guild leaders of VP flagged guilds (and up and coming VP guilds) here. I am interested to hear what they have to say about the current policy being that they (or people they have chosen) lead groups of individuals into these zones. That is not to say that I haven't read everyone's opinions so far but this debate seems to lack leadership commentary.

Also I like musashi1612's idea (page 7) of guilds banding together given the current policy. This would enable the ousting of various raid forces who didn't comply to say diplomatic relations with other guilds and thereby establishing raid times/calls for a guild to have their time in VP. What it seems currently is that none of the guild higher ups are making any efforts to provide any order between guild relations and training. With a UN of VP keyd guilds so to say it would be far easier to provide orderly and kindly raid times for various guilds as enforced by diplomatic train squads. Given the current policy this would be a somewhat ideal way for everyone to have their raid time in VP as unimpeded as can be and enforced by the community.

Yes current mechanics can also be blamed for the situation, but this is blue and one of the mainstays of this server is depending on others to get where you want to go (ex. grouping) so why not be nice to one another to figure things out among yourselves and leave the ganking to enforcers and red?

*edit* given the current grey area of policy*

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Laugher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This issue should also be discussed by guild leaders of VP flagged guilds (and up and coming VP guilds) here. I am interested to hear what they have to say about the current policy being that they (or people they have chosen) lead groups of individuals into these zones. That is not to say that I haven't read everyone's opinions so far but this debate seems to lack leadership commentary.

Also I like musashi1612's idea of guilds banding together given the current policy. This would enable the ousting of various raid forces who didn't comply to say diplomatic relations with other guilds and thereby establishing raid times/calls for a guild to have their time in VP. What it seems currently is that none of the guild higher ups are making any efforts to provide any order between guild relations and training. With a UN of VP keyd guilds so to say it would be far easier to provide orderly and kindly raid times for various guilds as enforced by diplomatic train squads. Given the current policy this would be a somewhat ideal way for everyone to have their raid time in VP as unimpeded as can be and enforced by the community.

Yes current mechanics can also be blamed for the situation, but this is blue and one of the mainstays of this server is depending on others to get where you want to go (ex. grouping) so why not be nice to one another to figure things out among yourselves and leave the ganking to enforcers and red?

*edit* given the current grey area of policy*

Everything you've mentioned has been tried and tried again.

There is only 1 guild unwilling to negotiate regarding these issues which has been made apparent in many situations. I spent a bit of time tonight googling around on old forums for info regarding VP during kunark era and found tons of folks on other websites complaining about how shitty p99 raiding is and many of them mention the fact that training is unenforced as being one of their reasons to quit playing here.

This was one of the reasons that verant originally put a play nice policy in place, because they were losing players left and right to griefing assholes. Imagine what p99's population would look like if we had fair rules which were enforced and true to the rules laid out in classic everquest.

[Acrux Bcrux]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This was one of the reasons that verant originally put a play nice policy in place, because they were losing players left and right to griefing assholes. Imagine what p99's population would look like if we had fair rules which were enforced and true to the rules laid out in classic everquest.

Too bad its all about the $$$$, as it raid loot i mean.

[Vianna]

I'll leave it for others to respond. Honestly though just show me where training another guild is needed to show which guild is better in any zone. Because I don't see it. Racing to targets that spawn in a certain window is competition. FTE shouts are in place to show who won the race and who has the first engage. At that point or anytime before that point...All training is is griefing and a stall tactic.

[musashi1612]

And now you will all see why i have scratched blue off my list and moved on to red atleast i know what im getting into there

[Versus]

VP was rotated between TMO and IB. This is because it was initially agreed upon, and then broken via a backstab. We agreed AGAIN to rotate mobs with IB, which was later broken again.

The reason it was rotated was because they were able to make our lives hell enough. You don't make our lives hell enough YET to come to any kind of agreement regarding a rotation. Simply coming to the table with nothing but your hand out isn't going to make us establish a deal with you.

Not speaking for the entire guild obviously. Training NEEDS to remain in the game to prevent fuckwit shittums from waking the Sleeper.

[newsmurf]

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The reason it was rotated was because they were able to make our lives hell enough. You don't make our lives hell enough YET to come to any kind of agreement regarding a rotation. Simply coming to the table with nothing but your hand out isn't going to make us establish a deal with you.
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Holy shit is anyone listening, stop being wankers like i said.

[newsmurf]

oh damn i suck, but ya you know who i was quoting =p