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Old 08-18-2013, 02:14 AM
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Yes, low-hp aggro is quite insane. It seems to only affect mobs like level 30 (maybe 25+?). There is no way to pull a mob off someone that is low hp unless you really piss off the mob. By pissing off the mob I mean doing an exorbitant amount of damage/snaring. That is why people in Overthere can level off low hp kiting. The amount of damage a damaging bard/caster would have to do to mobs chasing someone with low hp is more than the total hp mobs in Overthere have. However, for this same reason aggro must be cleared every so often by the damaging bard or caster in zones such as Dreadlands or Burning Wood because the mobs have so much hp that the damage dealer can actually overcome the super high threshold of aggro set by low-hp.

However, I believe low-hp, although maybe classic, is a ridiculous mechanic. If one bard has his train of mobs touch another bard's train and then goes low hp, the second bard's mobs will all get pulled away assuming they are the same mob type due to social aggro, or in your case Tolkien, your mobs run away from you.

Low-hp aggro is the reason why there are so many low level 50 bards; there is very little skill involved in leveling this fast way. I mean solo AE kiting is somewhat difficult and can be prone to screw ups. Low-hp is basically easy mode. Not sure if it's good or bad, but it's important to understand how bards can steal mobs away or get people killed based on people's hp going below 20%.

To elaborate a little bit- mobs under level 20 will not work for low-hp kiting. Also, you can pull mobs from a low hp bait in OT. Get a low 30s bard and have him try to kill some of the really high hp tigers before he gets aggro. It's a coin flip at best. It's not based on how much damage you do as much as it is based on how many times you've dotted the mob. The higher you get and the more damage your dots do, the more damage you can do to a mob before you peel it off your bait.
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Old 08-18-2013, 02:48 AM
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To elaborate a little bit- mobs under level 20 will not work for low-hp kiting. Also, you can pull mobs from a low hp bait in OT. Get a low 30s bard and have him try to kill some of the really high hp tigers before he gets aggro. It's a coin flip at best. It's not based on how much damage you do as much as it is based on how many times you've dotted the mob. The higher you get and the more damage your dots do, the more damage you can do to a mob before you peel it off your bait.
That sounds about right in terms of how many times you cast the spell. I've seen tigers turn on people that get resisted a lot.

Is there a hard rule of how many times a mob can be cast on by a person before it flips? Do certain spells/songs cause it to flip sooner due to creating more aggro?

I feel like these are questions that aren't ever really going to be answered.
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Old 08-18-2013, 02:55 AM
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That sounds about right in terms of how many times you cast the spell. I've seen tigers turn on people that get resisted a lot.

Is there a hard rule of how many times a mob can be cast on by a person before it flips? Do certain spells/songs cause it to flip sooner due to creating more aggro?

I feel like these are questions that aren't ever really going to be answered.
I'd say yea, since different songs add different amounts of hate- same with spells.

Best way I've found to know when it's time to zone is- after a certain point that you get a feel for, especially in BW if you target a specific mob and track it's hp, is to back off the kite after each round of dots and see if you get sit aggro. If not, let Selo's tick twice or so then get back in and do another round. The longer you let your dots tick away before reapplying them the more damage you can do before having to clear hate.
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