Recent Events

[Nuggie]

First in response to the OP. In my line of work leaders who turn a blind eye to deviations in certain policies get prosecuted by government departments and go to prison. Simply not knowing of an act isn't an alibi.

As to the current raiding situation: when lanys merged with 7th hammer we from lanys had a hell of an eye opener. We came from a server, much like this one, where one guild ruled and a bunch of smaller guilds got the table scraps. 7th hammer had I think 5 guilds that were able to compete for raid mobs. It was a much "healthier" raid scene. Perhaps TMO splitting themselves into two or more guilds would make for a more enjoyable raid scene for themselves and everyone else.

[BurgyK]

Someone quick! Get the suicide hotline number on here

[Barkingturtle]

Failure to ban these accounts sets the precedent that if you want to cheat and receive minimal discipline for your bad acts, just involve as many accounts as possible. Actually, that's kinda already been the established precedent for awhile, I think.

[Daldolma]

no good excuse for not banning the accounts imo

it has been CLEARLY set forth as a server rule that if you share info, you are responsible for the actions of anyone who logs into your account

if 84 people were genuinely innocent (HIGHLY doubtful) but dumb enough to trust two exploiters, then 84 people sacrificed their accounts for froovy's sins

more likely, 2 prominent members without plausible deniability are taking the fall for an exploit that was rampant and well-known

[quido]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it has been CLEARLY set forth as a server rule that if you share info, you are responsible for the actions of anyone who logs into your account

their actions while on your account, not while on other accounts a year ago =P this is a new expectation

[heazels]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

their actions while on your account, not while on other accounts a year ago =P this is a new expectation

again i say, it is naive to think that 86 accounts were banned based on a minor event 1 year ago. Naive, like a little baby, that just became a blue person in the avatar movie

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

their actions while on your account, not while on other accounts a year ago =P this is a new expectation

On a free server, where the only identifying information is your account name and password, sharing your account with someone else effectively means it's just that: shared. It is no longer solely your account. It is both of yours. Should we not ban the accounts of cheaters? If a duper has 86 accounts, should we just ban one?

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On a free server, where the only identifying information is your account name and password, sharing your account with someone else effectively means it's just that: shared. It is no longer solely your account. It is both of yours. Should we not ban the accounts of cheaters? If a duper has 86 accounts, should we just ban one?

^ what he said

[Fael]

In the past, any accounts involved in illegal activity got banned. This is the first time they have ever taken such measures as to ban every account that IP was ever connected to.

This is ex post facto decision making that, thankfully, we have the due process clause to protect us from in real life. This is their server. They can do what they want. I get that. Doesn't make it right.

To use the car analogy. This is equivalent to your friend selling meth, then driving your car without meth, then being caught with having sold meth the year before, and the police find out he drove your car a few times and they impound it.

A lot of people on here love what happened because they believe it benefits them. They ignore that Rogean basically already stated it was only 2 people. And the offense never occurred on these 86 accounts (which belong to probably 5-10 people).

You sheeple can believe what you want to believe about who knew what etc. Or that Rogean wouldn't take such sweeping action unless he had good cause. But the reality is they haven't provided any information on what was duped, how much, where it went etc. Froovy who acknowledges he'll never get his accounts back claims it was "less than he'd make in a night in howling stones."

Never mind all that. Praise and trust Rogean because he has taken unprecedented action to screw innocent people that you happen to dislike; because he had a random epiphany of this server being less competitive, where everyone can be spread Christmas cheer and good tidings to all--24/7. Oh and if we don't all just get along and love each other and share and live up to this nebulous new code of ethics, then we won't see velious. You can't make this stuff up.

Merry Christmas and see you in two weeks,

Dolic

[heazels]

Originally Posted by Fael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the past, any accounts involved in illegal activity got banned. This is the first time they have ever taken such measures as to ban every account that IP was ever connected to.

This is ex post facto decision making that, thankfully, we have the due process clause to protect us from in real life. This is their server. They can do what they want. I get that. Doesn't make it right.

To use the car analogy. This is equivalent to your friend selling meth, then driving your car without meth, then being caught with having sold meth the year before, and the police find out he drove your car a few times and they impound it.

A lot of people on here love what happened because they believe it benefits them. They ignore that Rogean basically already stated it was only 2 people. And the offense never occurred on these 86 accounts (which belong to probably 5-10 people).

You sheeple can believe what you want to believe about who knew what etc. Or that Rogean wouldn't take such sweeping action unless he had good cause. But the reality is they haven't provided any information on what was duped, how much, where it went etc. Froovy who acknowledges he'll never get his accounts back claims it was "less than he'd make in a night in howling stones."

Never mind all that. Praise and trust Rogean because he has taken unprecedented action to screw innocent people that you happen to dislike; because he had a random epiphany of this server being less competitive, where everyone can be spread Christmas cheer and good tidings to all--24/7. Oh and if we don't all just get along and love each other and share and live up to this nebulous new code of ethics, then we won't see velious. You can't make this stuff up.

Merry Christmas and see you in two weeks,

Dolic

why do you guys keep trying to to say this happened a year ago? the gm's post makes it sound like it was yesterday. I guess your believing the dupers over what the gm's wrote ont he front page... I'd trust log files over the dupers.