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[Vaildez]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every account they've ever logged into was banned. Most were never exploited on.

How could you possibly know this?

[quido]

Originally Posted by Vaildez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How could you possibly know this?

Aside from knowing it without being told, I know this because it's what Rogean said.

[sanforce]

Originally Posted by nalkin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here is my question. The other accounts that were accessed by the cheaters and banned... did any cheating occur on those accounts or were they banned because the cheaters logged in on them? If cheating occurred on them they should be banned if cheating did not occur on them they shouldn't, imo.

Any account the 2 cheaters ever logged into were banned, based off of ip address alone. I'm willing to bet 95% of these accounts never had duping activity, they were just brought into this mess bc the offenders logged on at some point. It's going to come down to the number of times the offenders logged on, most accounts will be unbanned.

As far as the raid rules? Everything will be spilt by 2 guilds over time, and VP is carebear.

[heazels]

Originally Posted by sanforce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any account the 2 cheaters ever logged into were banned, based off of ip address alone. I'm willing to bet 95% of these accounts never had duping activity, they were just brought into this mess bc the offenders logged on at some point. It's going to come down to the number of times the offenders logged on, most accounts will be unbanned.

As far as the raid rules? Everything will be spilt by 2 guilds over time, and VP is carebear.

all they had to do was log into once to make sure the login/password was good before passing it on to the guild to use. Maybe sold them for pp/dkp, maybe gave the accounts away, who knows

[sanforce]

Originally Posted by heazels [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

all they had to do was log into once to make sure the login/password was good before passing it on to the guild to use. Maybe sold them for pp/dkp, maybe gave the accounts away, who knows

These aren't bought accounts in question. Many mains and primary alts that were logged on because these guys were trusted members. It is their fault for trusting these people with their account info, but no duping happened on most of these accounts. That's why the GMs said "2" offenders had abused this exploit, they obviously have logs of the incidents.

[Lammy]

Originally Posted by nalkin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here is my question. The other accounts that were accessed by the cheaters and banned... did any cheating occur on those accounts or were they banned because the cheaters logged in on them? If cheating occurred on them they should be banned if cheating did not occur on them they shouldn't, imo.

The answer to your question is this. If Froovys/internodes IP placed them logging into any account at any point in the history of their existence, those accounts were flagged and banned. This done not mean any of these account were associated with the exploits.

Here's an example.

"Hey Froovy, can you log on my account to help me do a rez?"

Banned.

"Hey Froovy, can you log on my account to help me do a port?"

Banned.

"Hey Froovy, can you help run my character somewhere?"

Banned.



Sharing accounts in this fashion happens a lot, and isn't against the rules. This is Rogaens server, and I respect that. I even donate financially to the server. But at the end of the day, our Guilds name and members as a whole are being slandered over the unknown actions of a handful of people.

Rogaens response to this is obviously a very emotional one. He is upset about more than just the duping that occurred, and it shows in how this was handled. In the end, this server is Rogaens Project, and he is law. However, outside the competitive nature of the raid scene, I think that it is very important for the general population to know that TMO as a whole, is a great group of fair and honest players.

I personally couldn't list the amount of items I've given away to new players. I couldn't document the amount of hours I've spent offering out damage shields at EC tunnel for new players to enjoy. I've always stopped and med buffs/damage shields when I pass a low level player without them asking. I've spent time in lower end zones just chatting with the new players and finding out how they're enjoying themselves. I've always offered help to anyone on the forums whether I know them or not. And I KNOW that there are many members of TMO that do the same.

I hope the general hate and animosity of the community here towards TMO is just lemming behavior and/or trolls, because it would be disappointing to hear that this is the genuine, overall perception of TMO as a whole.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Lammy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it would be disappointing to hear that this is the genuine, overall perception of TMO as a whole.

It is.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Lammy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I hope the general hate and animosity of the community here towards TMO is just lemming behavior and/or trolls, because it would be disappointing to hear that this is the genuine, overall perception of TMO as a whole.

Your guild has shit on the server for two years. Your members get caught cheating and no one apologizes.

I assure you the animus is both real and well-earned.

[Pheer]

Originally Posted by Lammy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I hope the general hate and animosity of the community here towards TMO is just lemming behavior and/or trolls, because it would be disappointing to hear that this is the genuine, overall perception of TMO as a whole.

ITT: TMO members still confused why so many people think theyre pieces of shit even though they allow retards like alarti and eccezan to run rampant on the forums and their members to act like little children in ooc/shout in game.

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by Lammy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I hope the general hate and animosity of the community here towards TMO is just lemming behavior and/or trolls, because it would be disappointing to hear that this is the genuine, overall perception of TMO as a whole.

Originally Posted by cyryllis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whatever, we will brush our shoulders off and come back in 2 weeks to continue to steal all your loot for 4th alts.

bitches