Rotations =/= handouts

[Clark]

Originally Posted by goshozal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you choose to roll with 15 players so the 3-year-old content is still moderately challenging, I have no problems. Just realize that that is your choice, and some of us find the race to engage to be the only remaining challenge.

[Pint]

I don't understand how getting free shots at dragons is not the same thing as being handed the dragon. I think the old Tmo stranglehold blew just as much as the rest of you guys but rotating kills and removing all challenge from the game sounds so much worse. Imagine how long the lines for dragons would be if everyone decided they wanted to try the 15 man dragon challenge.

[heazels]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand how getting free shots at dragons is not the same thing as being handed the dragon. I think the old Tmo stranglehold blew just as much as the rest of you guys but rotating kills and removing all challenge from the game sounds so much worse. Imagine how long the lines for dragons would be if everyone decided they wanted to try the 15 man dragon challenge.

how is zerging down a mob or waking up when you get a text message a challenge? sounds boring to me. Maybe if they give all the dragons here 500k hp they will be a bit more of a challenge. You push auto attack and it dies, you can get that same experience at lvl 1 in the newbie area. I think TMO just likes play MMO games on God Mode and be the best at playing with God Mode. IDDQD so power.

[heazels]

How about?

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[Clark]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand how getting free shots at dragons is not the same thing as being handed the dragon. I think the old Tmo stranglehold blew just as much as the rest of you guys but rotating kills and removing all challenge from the game sounds so much worse. Imagine how long the lines for dragons would be if everyone decided they wanted to try the 15 man dragon challenge.

Originally Posted by Turp_SmokinPurp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you make the game easy mode you might as well rename it Classic EZ server.

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How many times has BDA actually camped out and even attempted to engage Trak, VS, CT, or otherwise? You have people willing to track. You have people on a batphone. And, you have people willing to answer said batphone...

BDA said it was impossible to compete with TMO when a handful of members broke off and formed FE. Those members camped out at trak for months, waking up at strange hours to watch TMO get the engage and kill trak, yet we still kept trying. 5 months later we had our first VP kill. Stop saying it's not possible/it's a monopoly when you don't even make an attempt.

[Yinikren]

Race was run imo, no fun when you are only racing yourself.

[Autotune]

anything that isn't seen as direct head to head competition = hand outs. That is the mind set.

[jaybone]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

anything that isn't seen as direct head to head competition = hand outs. That is the mind set.

Why dont you just direct them towards MQ. Probably could give a few tips.

[Ele]

Like you said, I think part of this whole issue stems from people skipping over the idea that PvE still means that the players have to compete with the NPCs within the environment. However, most guilds are readily able to compete with the Classic/Kunark NPCs within the environment, so people have to impose other constructs of "competition" such as imposing time barriers (partially due to variance, but which nonetheless escalates to leap frogging, tracking, batphoning, etc), PvP (ala red), KS groups (within a FFA, xp=loot system), or simply training the other guild. That isn't to discount that EQ is a persistent world with a limited number of resources each week, which is a reality that must be dealt with in some manner. I sometimes like to think that P99 is some elaborate thought experiment run by a university or .gov to see how people interact with each other and build a society.

Another part of this issue is the mindset of "I had to go through it, so everyone else has to suffer the same as me". This sudden shift in the server raid scene causes people to question their choices, and people don't like being wrong. As an example: if a first group of people has about 500 collective tracking hours in a single week to get a majority of the targets, the first group of people are going to be understandably upset if a new group of people come into the raid scene the next week and the second group does not have to exercise that same barrier to entry that the first group of people did. However, the first group of people must acknowledge that they never had to go to such extremes, but made a choice to do so.

[Ella`Ella]

Raiding has almost nothing to do with pixels for most of us. It really comes down to, "did we get the FTE and will we win the lawyering..."