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[falkun]

Its also simple, easily expandable into Velious, requires zero GM involvement, and hardcores keep their "competition" 50% of the time.

[Nirgon]

Loraen there's a lot of guilds and players, and not that many mobs.

If Velious comes out and FE/IB compete over NToV/ST key mobs/Dain and leave Kunark/Classic/PoG/Kael arena/temple alone... do you think THAT would be a better server?

I do.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Flippie

Why not just accept the Proposed Plan by TMO/FE/IB, let the plan shift to the 10 days that was suggested and if Category B guilds want to rotate among themselves, so be it.

One of the things you guys need to stop doing is assuming that we are stupid. Your plan got a lot of backlash because most people did not see it as a good faith effort, but rather an attempt to pull the wool over our eyes. There are huge differences between Divinity's plan and your plan, even if the 7 days becomes 10.

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Loraen there's a lot of guilds and players, and not that many mobs.

If Velious comes out and FE/IB compete over NToV/ST key mobs/Dain and leave Kunark/Classic/PoG/Kael arena/temple alone... do you think THAT would be a better server?

I do.

IMO one of the best parts of Divinity's plan is that all guilds get to see all the content eventually without having to step into the fetid swamp of variance raiding.

Originally Posted by Chest

Deajay let's keep the rhetoric to a minimum. No one wants to hold out and stall raiding just to prove a point, the end goal is to come up with an equitable plan for all parties involved. That's it. It's not about making up for past transgressions or the casual guilds getting our "pound of flesh" as was said last night. We all want to raid, we each have our preferred method of doing so, we just need to figure out the details.

Agreed 100%.

That being said, in any negotiation its important to consider your BATNA (best alternative to an agreement). I don't think the raid guilds have fully realized just how bad theirs is. The real question is not how long the non-raid guild would hold out (forever) but how Sirken would assign votes to various guilds. One vote per guild (or per player) and the casual guilds just cathartically vote in a full rotation, and your share of the mobs drops from 70% to 30%. He might not do that, because he does love competition, but do you really want to take that chance?

[Mezzmur]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One of the things you guys need to stop doing is assuming that we are stupid. Your plan got a lot of backlash because most people did not see it as a good faith effort, but rather an attempt to pull the wool over our eyes. There are huge differences between Divinity's plan and your plan, even if the 7 days becomes 10.



IMO one of the best parts of Divinity's plan is that all guilds get to see all the content eventually without having to step into the fetid swamp of variance raiding.



Agreed 100%.

That being said, in any negotiation its important to consider your BATNA (best alternative to an agreement). I don't think the raid guilds have fully realized just how bad theirs is. The real question is not how long the non-raid guild would hold out (forever) but how Sirken would assign votes to various guilds. One vote per guild (or per player) and the casual guilds just cathartically vote in a full rotation, and your share of the mobs drops from 70% to 30%. He might not do that, because he does love competition, but do you really want to take that chance?

I don't think there's any wool. I think that people play EQ because it was an MMO that actually required work and was a challenge, It's NOT an instant gratification video game like WoW or any MMO after EQ.

When you play call of duty, you login and level up to attain power ups, skills and weapons and over time you progress. You get out of the video game what you put into it. Some that are willing to put more in, get more out. Simple. You're asking to put less in and get more out, so it seems reasonable that this wouldn't be a perfect Utopian 50/50 split. 10 days of 30 days seems pretty reasonable and there are mobs Tier 1 guilds don't touch in those other 20 days too.

Taken stepped up and started spanking Inny because they decided to put more into the game, someone could have easily done the same for any other mob out there especially as you say you have the numbers. It seems to be we should be looking at distribution by participation, activity, contribution not by mouths to feed. just imho.

[baalzy]

I'm going to make my own raid rules. With blackjack, and hookers.


Infact, forget the raid rules!

PS. Anyone feel like this is just a practice run on a smaller scale for the next round of Congressional Fiscal Cliff Dodging? (Super teeny tiny group of rich white men saying the poor brown masses can't have anything because socialism is bad, except this time the brown people are the ones with the incentive to shut it down).

[arsenalpow]

Deajay let's keep the rhetoric to a minimum. No one wants to hold out and stall raiding just to prove a point, the end goal is to come up with an equitable plan for all parties involved. That's it. It's not about making up for past transgressions or the casual guilds getting our "pound of flesh" as was said last night. We all want to raid, we each have our preferred method of doing so, we just need to figure out the details.

[Autotune]

Take every proposal with the word "rotation" in it and just completely scrap it then.

[falkun]

Fair enough, Chest. But I have never been out for flesh, even my own idea was a 50% split of hardcore and casual, see my post from 4 days ago, before the "everyone gets raid suspended" threat started looming over our collective heads.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fair enough, Chest. But I have never been out for flesh, even my own idea was a 50% split of hardcore and casual, see my post.

Ya the pound of flesh thing was said last night by Mazam or Unbrella, I can't remember. At this time no other plans are being considered aside from the two that were discussed last night. Everyone posting plans should get with their guild reps and use the proper channels to bring something new to the table.

[nambar]

TMO should all go to Argentina (that one server the stoner from that one guild made).