What's so great about Iksar?

[holsteinrx7]

ogres circulate lies to keep up their classic superior feeling.

one thing that brutillus fails to mention is that DEX governs your ability to cast thru hits. a hit or bash or kick can cancel anyone's spells, esp if youre an ogre with the lowest dex in game.

getting stuned doesnt happen but once every 5 minutes for a few seconds. this does not compare to regen and ac bonus, plus the normal size vs being fat. the only time i see ogre stun resist being cool is on stun heavy, raid like mobs. and the stun resist doesnt work on mobs higher than lvl 51.

combine this with greenmist, and iksar become the new dominant sk. i could be saying this because im rolling one just before vel, but this is how i remember the feedback coming in on the live servers too. iksar go from offtanks to main tanks pretty quick.

its okay, ogres are still second or third best. <3 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.][You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i did the math and ogres do about 12-16% more dmg than iksars out of the box. obviously this scales well when youre hitting for 300 doubled. the sta is about 200hp late game, too. but ogres do have the lowest agi and dex out there, which means youll be hitting that agi floor, and struggling with getting procs to work nearly as well as an iksar. i noticed iksar proc at least 20% more than my troll. it was extremely noticable.



ps. iksar>de>trolls have better lore than ogre sks. gg.

Originally Posted by Brut [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IksarSK begins to cast a spell.
A single mob bashes IksarSK for 1 point of damage.
IksarSK is stunned!
IksarSK's spell is interrupted.


OgreSK begins to cast a spell.
A flock of mobs bash OgreSK for massive amounts of damage.
OgreSK regains concentration and continues casting.
OgreSK laughs.
OgreSK slashes flock of mobs with a 2h animation that doesn't look like it's 1h piercing.


Also,
EruditeSK begins to cast a spell.
EruditeSK ducks.
EruditeSK's spell is interrupted.
EruditeSK camps and deletes and uninstalls.

[holsteinrx7]

glad dubrael is clearing up this matter, but hasnt responded to my petition about glitched missing back full of gear. made my day.

actually i think its cool to read such well versed opinions. but, dont worry, i got this one covered, since i got plenty of time to think about it =P.

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with everything you just said.

In all seriousness, between iksar and ogre (specifically for SK and Shaman) there really isn't much difference. The extra AC over the cap makes a difference in Velious, but stun immunity is also really nice. Basically, take less damage, and do a little less damage (when getting hit) as an iksar SK or Shaman.

For necros, warriors, and monks, there is no contest. Iksar's win over every other race.

Also, who wants to be fat? Even when you're shrunk you look like a ball of lard.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Synthlol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This guy gets it, and the same logic applies for shaman too. Timing spellcasts around the mob(s) beating on you is a handicap because it implies waiting, and having to wait to cast is exactly what makes getting stunned dangerous. You can say you don't care, but you can't say it isn't true.

I've seen people say that stun immunity is overrated because an ogre still has to put his butt into a corner to prevent interrupts. This is true, but it isn't evidence for the argument that ogre stun immunity is overrated. Non-ogres also want to put their butts in a corner to prevent push interrupts, and when they do this, they can still get bashed. Ogres can't.

Find me a single mob that an ogre shaman can solo that an iksar shaman of the same gear quality / clicky usage cannot.

I'm gonna go with there aren't any.

[holsteinrx7]

iksar shammy no jbb gg atm

[Daldaen]

Canni 4 and Torpor make JBB very meh.

[holsteinrx7]

when i see shaman quadding soloing mobs i cant 1v1 as a sk, i see a jbb being used.

[Brut]

Rly need some EverMath-wiz to tend to this whole AC talk, since I'm not sure if the difference does anything whatsoever. Kunark-era ikkys got their plate handicap so they have no advantage going on yet, and come Velious there's still gonna be a softcap for it, and I'm pretty sure you're gonna hit the cap regardless of your race choice.

Methinks all the hubbub rly balances out between races the later game you get. Regen only really stays relevant for shm/necro, for melees it stops being of value past 40s, unless you're hellbent on ineffectively soloing your route to 60. Ultimately ogres just have a suberb racial trait that no other race has.

Also, who wants to squat every time they sit? Looks as if you're constipated.

[Gaffin 7.0]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I lost to Sentenza mostly because of the gear disadvantage. Not to take anything away from that French asshole, he's a good jouster and we both employed the same strats during the fights but there were so many misses on him. Myu had BIS everything but VP. Sentenza had hoshkar boots, crown of rile (I think) and was wearing slimeblood on his hands. Hosh boots mean you can wear a belt with real stats and I'm sure he had some other VP drops (pulsating gem?) so it was going to be an uphill battle.

You can give a human monk and iksar monk same gear hp and regen with both same pvp skill and the iksar would come out top, just how it is for regen and pvp

[Tulnavara]

All this talk about whether an ogre or iksar shaman is better is meaningless. Troll is the master race, you're fighting for 2nd place.

[Asap]

Best part of this thread is Sent calling out Chest, needs more quoting imo