New raid rule - whats everyones feeling on this?

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This was my idea, Unbrella!

IT WAS MY IDEA! MINE MINE MINE.

Class-R shot it down on the grounds that Class-C has a greater advantage in mobilizing from any location not just from within a zone. The logic there still boggles me, but then again, I blame Chest.

[Circa.]

Those liberals though, cry until they get their way. Want equality but don't want to put the work in.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Circa. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those liberals though, cry until they get their way. Want equality but don't want to put the work in.

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[Brut]

FFA Inny should be done away with altogether since 150~ players in the zone makes it an unbearable lagfest of doom. And let's not forget that figuring out who trained who is impossible with the way aggro works and chains there. Just skip FFA on it and make it alternate R and C, imo.

I thought FTE stalling for extended periods was already prohibited in the new raid rules btw?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Brut [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FFA Inny should be done away with altogether since 150~ players in the zone makes it an unbearable lagfest of doom. And let's not forget that figuring out who trained who is impossible with the way aggro works and chains there. Just skip FFA on it and make it alternate R and C, imo.

I thought FTE stalling for extended periods was already prohibited in the new raid rules btw?

Depends. Allowed one DA for positioning, and as long as you're taking damage you can consider it a slow engage (soulfires on VS, etc.)

[Brut]

Aka the usual rules stretching, kk.

[Smalls]

TMO's reaction to any change in raid rules:

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[Fael]

1. OP. How does the current fte situation, or "manipulation" or exploitation" as you call it, give one guild any unfair advantage over another? Are we seriously to the point of declaring that a melee class using a Discs is "exploiting"? You people been playing a game of wackamole with supposed manipulations (also known as intended game designs) in this quest to find an excuse as to why you lose dragons more often than the next guy. Its getting ridiculous.

2. Nietche. You said, "where we have 207 people in zone covering about 5 guilds for a Sev pop that not allowing face trackers to take an FTE would be a good start to promoting a sense that Class R guilds actually have a chance." How does having the FTE people start at the zone line make it any more fair? It still boils down to a race for FTE, this time only with bards rather than face trackers. If anything this helps guilds with larger numbers, more bard alts, etc. It probably lessens the chance a class R guild comes up with a fte. Perhaps we should eliminate face tracking fte, eliminate bards fte'ing, we already dont like DA engages, eye engages, no ranger or any tracking classes for that matter. New rule: when mob spawns, only pure melee classes, or int casters may run blindly through EJ to get FTE. Yeah. That'll make it fair and give Class R a true shot, somehow, maybe.

3. Nietche. Comparing operating procedures within VP from times before the raid changes when you could train inside VP and when spawn windows where larger is borderline disingenuous. Apples and oranges.

4. Personally i think the whole idea of limiting repops to one day a week is just dumb in general. Variance should be increased for many of the merbs. Spread this stuff out.

Dolic

[sanforce]

Originally Posted by Fael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

4. Personally i think the whole idea of limiting repops to one day a week is just dumb in general. Variance should be increased for many of the merbs. Spread this stuff out.

Dolic

I agree, spread these fucking mobs out. Who thought it was a good idea to stack everything on Saturday? All sense of competition is completely gone, it basically boils down to the guilds that can form the fastest responding saturday/sunday zergs. There is no fun in this current setup. Regulate less, increase the fun for all.