religion

[G13]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every religious denomination and most religions are just the original belief system adapted to any given culture.

Original Christianity (Paul the Apostle & pals), fragmented to serve many different cultures:

Eastern Orthodox for the eastern slavshits
Catholicism for the Mediterranean wops and some northern micks.
Protestantism for hardworking nordic people
Coptic sect for Africans

Much later, we saw Evangelicalism for people who are now so far removed from Jesus' original teachings that they ignore the vast majority of that wacky ancient scripture and catholic-esque ritualism that just doesn't apply to contemporary society anymore.

So I really don't know how you can take your own religious beliefs seriously when you know damn well that whatever pure form of Jesus's teachings once existed, have been twisted into a pretzel again and again to accommodate various belief systems.

Except there is actual physical and forensic proof of Christ's death and resurrection

It's called The Shroud of Turin

The image on the cloth (which dates consistently to the time of Jesus death 33 AD) is a 3 dimensional image on a piece of cloth of a man brutally beaten, tortured and crucified. No known technology exists today that could put that image on a cloth like that and certainly nothing existed back then that could have done it.

The image on the cloth contains distance mapping. The image can be read like a 3d map. Photographs and paintings don't work that way.

The image actually has characteristics of an X-ray. Bone structure can be seen, especially on the hands and facial area

All the wounds on the cloth are 100% consistent with biblical accounts. The weapons that were used for torture are 100% accurate to what the Romans would have used for torture during that time. The wounds on the head are consistent with a rudimentary crown of thorns. The wounds on the wrists are 100% consistent with what the Romans would have done if they nailed someone to a cross. They wouldn't have put the nails through the palms. They would have put them through the wrist area between the 2 bones there for stability. 100% consistent.

Recent studies confirm the image could only have put there by a severe discharge of Light and Energy.

The carbon dating from 1988 used a tampered sample on the end of the cloth that had been repaired after the shroud was damaged in a fire. Recent dating techniques which studied the decay rate of the microfibers age the shroud consistently with the time of Jesus' death

No traces of paint or any such nonsense is on that cloth

Real blood with bilirubin has been confirmed on the cloth. All consistent with severe torture before death. The body goes into shock during severe stress and produces this chemical in the blood

The type of blood on the cloth is AB. Scientists have confirmed the blood was on the cloth before the image

The image is actually "on top" of the cloth and could conceivably be scraped away by a razor. It literally rests upon the top most fibers of the material. It only penetrates the tope two microfibers. A human artist (hundreds of years before Da Vinci) could not have faked that. No human artist could fake that today

The type of material was very expensive in that era and is consistent with biblical accounts

Pollen found on the cloth is consistent with what would have been found in jerusalem during that era. Physical evidence on the cloth itself to confirm where the event took place

Road dust found on the area around the hands and feet are almost exclusively from that area in Jerusalem during that time

There are over 120 scourge marks on the body. 100% consistent with biblical accounts.

All evidence contained within the shroud is 100% consistent with biblical accounts

3D negative image on a piece of cloth. It almost looks like a human being trapped under ice.

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[radditsu]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except there is actual physical and forensic proof of Christ's death and resurrection

It's called The Shroud of Turin

The image on the cloth (which dates consistently to the time of Jesus death 33 AD) is a 3 dimensional image on a piece of cloth of a man brutally beaten, tortured and crucified. No known technology exists today that could put that image on a cloth like that and certainly nothing existed back then that could have done it.

The image on the cloth contains distance mapping. The image can be read like a 3d map. Photographs and paintings don't work that way.

The image actually has characteristics of an X-ray. Bone structure can be seen, especially on the hands and facial area

All the wounds on the cloth are 100% consistent with biblical accounts. The weapons that were used for torture are 100% accurate to what the Romans would have used for torture during that time. The wounds on the head are consistent with a rudimentary crown of thorns. The wounds on the wrists are 100% consistent with what the Romans would have done if they nailed someone to a cross. They wouldn't have put the nails through the palms. They would have put them through the wrist area between the 2 bones there for stability. 100% consistent.

Recent studies confirm the image could only have put there by a severe discharge of Light and Energy.

The carbon dating from 1988 used a tampered sample on the end of the cloth that had been repaired after the shroud was damaged in a fire. Recent dating techniques which studied the decay rate of the microfibers age the shroud consistently with the time of Jesus' death

No traces of paint or any such nonsense is on that cloth

Real blood with bilirubin has been confirmed on the cloth. All consistent with severe torture before death. The body goes into shock during severe stress and produces this chemical in the blood

The type of blood on the cloth is AB. Scientists have confirmed the blood was on the cloth before the image

The image is actually "on top" of the cloth and could conceivably be scraped away by a razor. It literally rests upon the top most fibers of the material. It only penetrates the tope two microfibers. A human artist (hundreds of years before Da Vinci) could not have faked that. No human artist could fake that today

The type of material was very expensive in that era and is consistent with biblical accounts

Pollen found on the cloth is consistent with what would have been found in jerusalem during that era. Physical evidence on the cloth itself to confirm where the event took place

Road dust found on the area around the hands and feet are almost exclusively from that area in Jerusalem during that time

There are over 120 scourge marks on the body. 100% consistent with biblical accounts.

All evidence contained within the shroud is 100% consistent with biblical accounts

3D negative image on a piece of cloth. It almost looks like a human being trapped under ice.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioca...hroud_of_Turin


?? oh you mean that fake thing they faked when it was fake. Cool story bro

[leewong]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioca...hroud_of_Turin


?? oh you mean that fake thing they faked when it was fake. Cool story bro

Holy shit, did G13 post something about the Shroud of Turin? Bwahaha. BTW, the dates arent the only thing that point to a fake.

-Draping the cloth under and over the body is a practice from the Middle Ages.

- No record of this particular shroud can be found before it showed up in Lirey, France, around 1350

-Two succeeding bishops from the area pronounced the shroud a fake when it was first discovered, the second purportedly producing the artist who created it.

-"No examples of complex herringbone weave are known from the time of Jesus when, in any case, burial cloths tended to be of plain weave. In addition, Jewish burial practice utilized — and the Gospel of John specifically describes for Jesus — multiple burial wrappings wrapped tightly around the body with a separate cloth over the face" - http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin

- "none of the gospels make any mention of any miraculous burial cloth after Jesus's resurrection. Curious that the most holy relic in all of Christendom doesn't even get so much as a word in its holy texts, isn't it?" - http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin

- There are also claims of "bloodstains" on the cloth, but Hebrew law dictated cleansing of the corpse before wrapping and bodies don't bleed after death. Chemist Walter McCrone identified the substance as a "combination of red ochre and vermilion tempera paint." - http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin

- "Dr M. M. Baden, a pathologist, pointed out the blood trickles from the scalp are evidence of forgery, on the ground that blood from a scalp wound does not flow in rivulets but mats the hair." - http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin

- "Also of note is the lack of wrap-around distortion. For a shroud that was supposedly wrapped around the body of Christ, the lack of wrap-around distortion across the torso, thighs and legs is striking." - http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin

[radditsu]

Also i dont know what studies you are talking about, since you cant study it anymore.

[radditsu]

http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/


its in this documentary as well. as a ton of other bullshit people think aren't made by man so books and commercial airtime can be sold.

[leewong]

Here is an exercise for both Glenzig and RobotElvis or any other creationist:

Think of an experiment that would prove life or the universe was created by a creator. Not a thought experiment, not an assertion based off of an assumption, an honest to goodness scientific experiment that uses the scientific method. Think real hard about it. I am not even asking you to post it here. Just think about it.

[iruinedyourday]

Could you imagine if you read this much documentation written by people who weren't just idiots that played EQ?

you guys might be smart enough in that scenario, to not just be idiots that play eq.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Could you imagine if you read this much documentation written by people who weren't just idiots that played EQ?

you guys might be smart enough in that scenario, to not just be idiots that play eq.

Havent logged in my account in some time now. Hence why I havent finished updating and releasing my custom UIs: Shameless plug :O

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Havent logged in my account in some time now. Hence why I havent finished updating and releasing my custom UIs: Shameless plug :O

haha! what a surprise, the person that contributes and makes life better for strangers, is not a creationist.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

haha! what a surprise, the person that contributes and makes life better for strangers, is not a creationist.

Lol, I wouldnt go that far :P I get joy from creating UIs and mods for games. Been creating them since quake 2 and it has been rewarding. I would list a few of my other mods/UIs here but I wouldnt want some of the folks here shitting up my message boards and such.