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[paulgiamatti]

I love it whenever someone uses the word "scientism", because I know I can immediately ignore everything they're about to say. These types of words were invented specifically for the pseudo-intellectuals who know absolutely nothing about what science is what science entails. It's nonsensical jargon.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I love it whenever someone uses the word "scientism", because I know I can immediately ignore everything they're about to say. These types of words were invented specifically for the pseudo-intellectuals who know absolutely nothing about what science is what science entails. It's nonsensical jargon.

Actually it is a descriptive term for people like you. It isn't "made up", so much as it was necessary to define the position of those like yourself who exclude anything outside of physical science. It isn't even pejorative. It just is what it is. And it happens to describe your world view to a tee.

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I love it whenever someone uses the word "scientism", because I know I can immediately ignore everything they're about to say. These types of words were invented specifically for the pseudo-intellectuals who know absolutely nothing about what science is what science entails. It's nonsensical jargon.

sci·en·tism
ˈsīənˌtizəm/
nounrare
thought or expression regarded as characteristic of scientists.
excessive belief in the power of scientific knowledge and techniques.

[paulgiamatti]

Science isn't a concrete, definitive arbiter of morals - we still need to apply human reasoning and rationality to develop the full picture, but science has the responsibility of informing us on a fundamental level what is good and what is bad.

Science tells us women are no less human than men, not that they have the exact same physiological makeup as men. Science tells us perfectly well how incest, murder, rape, and infanticide are bad - they're detrimental to society. Incest produces genetic defects, murder and infanticide kill people, and rape is harmful to the victim in various physical and psychological ways.

Cannibalism on the other hand is more debatable. There are some diseases that can be contracted from cannibalism, but probably not more than any other type of meat that humans consume. I am against cannibalism, but I'm not sure if I could call this a moral statement. If it requires killing someone, then that's obviously immoral, but if it's simply a deceased person's flesh that someone is consuming, then I can't really say there's anything morally reprehensible about that.

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if it's simply a deceased person's flesh that someone is consuming, then I can't really say there's anything morally reprehensible about that.

And this assumes of course that there's a whole thing of consent laid out beforehand, which I'm sure I don't need to point out.

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Science isn't a concrete, definitive arbiter of morals - we still need to apply human reasoning and rationality to develop the full picture, but science has the responsibility of informing us on a fundamental level what is good and what is bad.

Science tells us women are no less human than men, not that they have the exact same physiological makeup as men. Science tells us perfectly well how incest, murder, rape, and infanticide are bad - they're detrimental to society. Incest produces genetic defects, murder and infanticide kill people, and rape is harmful to the victim in various physical and psychological ways.

Cannibalism on the other hand is more debatable. There are some diseases that can be contracted from cannibalism, but probably not more than any other type of meat that humans consume. I am against cannibalism, but I'm not sure if I could call this a moral statement. If it requires killing someone, then that's obviously immoral, but if it's simply a deceased person's flesh that someone is consuming, then I can't really say there's anything morally reprehensible about that.

Hmmmmm........ If it was just an issue of science telling us what to believe though then it should be cut-and-dry.

It seems your answer is very shifty. And you don't really know what to believe in.

[RobotElvis]

I got the first post on 100 and 200! I win

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by RobotElvis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It seems your answer is very shifty. And you don't really know what to believe in.

Do I really need to make another post demonstrating what intellectual honesty is? Instead of just believing that a supreme infallible creator is responsible for everything and also decides for us what is moral and immoral - a worldview that is immoral by definition - I allow myself to learn things.

Crazy concept, huh? It's pretty weird how this science thing works, I know. It goes out into the real world and observes and discovers things, and changes the way we think about things in the process. It's called learning.

I believe we know nothing, and I believe that anyone who thinks they have the answers to the universe, just like religion does, is very likely wrong and definitely immoral.

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do I really need to make another post demonstrating what intellectual honesty is? Instead of just believing that a supreme infallible creator is responsible for everything and also decides for us what is moral and immoral - a worldview that is immoral by definition - I allow myself to learn things.

Crazy concept, huh? It's pretty weird how this science thing works, I know. It goes out into the real world and observes and discovers things, and changes the way we think about things in the process. It's called learning.

I believe we know nothing, and I believe that anyone who thinks they have the answers to the universe, just like religion does, is very likely wrong and definitely immoral.

You got me. I don't know what intellectual honesty is. I can only read one book, my holy book. I have never learned what science really is. I look forward to your ranting post describing it. It will teach me morality, thank you so much. *sarcasm*

Your biggest problem seems to be that you think because of your world view you are somehow intellectually and morally superior to any and all that do not share same world view. That is the exact opposite of free thinking and honest.