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[leewong]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"If, now, that right eye of yours is making you stumble, tear it out and throw it away p. 7from you. For it is more beneficial to you for one of your members to be lost to you than for your whole body to be pitched into Gehenna.”—Matthew 5:29.

Of course, Jesus was not advocating self-mutilation. Rather, he was stressing metaphorically that we should be willing to cut out of our life anything that is spiritually harmful. True, the action we take may be very painful. But it will protect us.

So why doesnt the verse say that instead? Pretty unclear for a holy book if you ask me. Either God gives horribly vague instructions that are open for any interpretation or it was meant for literal translation.

If I was omnipotent and wanted to instruct my creation, I think I could do WAY better. Hell, I am not omnipotent and I could still right a book that has less contradictions and less cryptic verses.

So we are left with two possibilities, God intentionally gave unclear instructions or God is not that good at communicating his message. Either way it doesnt look good for him.

Lastly, you seem to be avoiding the two verses I listed about giving away your material possessions. Is there some cryptic interpretation that allows you to ignore them as well?

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So why doesnt the verse say that instead? Pretty unclear for a holy book if you ask me. Either God gives horribly vague instructions that are open for any interpretation or it was meant for literal translation.

If I was omnipotent and wanted to instruct my creation, I think I could do WAY better. Hell, I am not omnipotent and I could still right a book that has less contradictions and less cryptic verses.

So we are left with two possibilities, God intentionally gave unclear instructions or God is not that good at communicating his message. Either way it doesnt look good for him.

Lastly, you seem to be avoiding the two verses I listed about giving away your material possessions. Is there some cryptic interpretation that allows you to ignore them as well?

What, that is your argument? That something in the "The bible" (I put quotes, because although the bible is generally the same among all religions that have it, there has been some interpretations that certain things have been corrupted, or misinterpreted and either changed or omitted) couldn't be possibly misinterpreted or rather spoken in such a different tongue that someone like you just doesn't understand it? So God works in such a way that if someone like you fails to understand the meaning or the metaphorical meaning behind something, then he must not be God because he would make it so that idiots like you would understand? Or you know God so well that some things are literal meaning? I'm trying to understand, either way though, you seem to profess your understanding for knowing this benevolent been so well yet claim he doesn't exist at the same time. Maybe you should listen to those who do believes words or understanding rather then coming up with your own understanding that you seem to obviously not get. I'm not saying what Glenzig even says is the correct meaning, I'm just trying to better understand your ignorance.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What, that is your argument? That something in the "The bible" (I put quotes, because although the bible is generally the same among all religions that have it, there has been some interpretations that certain things have been corrupted, or misinterpreted and either changed or omitted) couldn't be possibly misinterpreted or rather spoken in such a different tongue that someone like you just doesn't understand it? So God works in such a way that if someone like you fails to understand the meaning or the metaphorical meaning behind something, then he must not be God because he would make it so that idiots like you would understand? Or you know God so well that some things are literal meaning? I'm trying to understand, either way though, you seem to profess your understanding for knowing this benevolent been so well yet claim he doesn't exist at the same time. Maybe you should listen to those who do believes words or understanding rather then coming up with your own understanding that you seem to obviously not get. I'm not saying what Glenzig even says is the correct meaning, I'm just trying to better understand your ignorance.

Try using paragraphs...I only read the first few lines of your wall of text but I will answer anyhow.

If God wanted to provide CLEAR instruction for how he wanted us to live then why didnt he or why couldnt he? This in itself is a clear sign that the Bible was thought up and written by humans...not an all-knowing being.

Imagine if instructions for using your ipod were so cryptic and open to interpretation.

I already know your response...blah, blah, blah...written in a different language, the writer's were channeling God, etc. That still doesnt mean God could not have provided clear instructions that would last throught the ages. Surely, a being that knows everything would know that the Bible would be misused and misinterpreted. If God is all powerful he would know a way to make it crystal clear. Either he is incompetent or uncaring for writing such a shitty book.

[G13]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Try using paragraphs...I only read the first few lines of your wall of text but I will answer anyhow.

If God wanted to provide CLEAR instruction for how he wanted us to live then why didnt he or why couldnt he? This in itself is a clear sign that the Bible was thought up and written by humans...not an all-knowing being.

Imagine if instructions for using your ipod were so cryptic and open to interpretation.

I already know your response...blah, blah, blah...written in a different language, the writer's were channeling God, etc. That still doesnt mean God could not have provided clear instructions that would last throught the ages. Surely, a being that knows everything would know that the Bible would be misused and misinterpreted. If God is all powerful he would know a way to make it crystal clear. Either he is incompetent or uncaring for writing such a shitty book.

Have you ever read The Bible?

Ever read The New Testament?

The instruction given couldn't be anymore clear

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Try using paragraphs...I only read the first few lines of your wall of text but I will answer anyhow.

If God wanted to provide CLEAR instruction for how he wanted us to live then why didnt he or why couldnt he? This in itself is a clear sign that the Bible was thought up and written by humans...not an all-knowing being.

Imagine if instructions for using your ipod were so cryptic and open to interpretation.

I already know your response...blah, blah, blah...written in a different language, the writer's were channeling God, etc. That still doesnt mean God could not have provided clear instructions that would last throught the ages. Surely, a being that knows everything would know that the Bible would be misused and misinterpreted. If God is all powerful he would know a way to make it crystal clear. Either he is incompetent or uncaring for writing such a shitty book.

You claim God didn't give clear instructions. You create some kind of grey are that doesn't exist. Better yet, like I mentioned in my response that you quoted, there is somewhat different interpretations of the bible depending on your Christian religion, now assuming God DOES exist, I think they would have to be only one that is true correct? Well, maybe a lot of the core values are true, but then other stuff gets jumbled up and confusing. Even more so considering if the Bible is text from X period and has gone through several different translations, it might be safe to assume that not all of it is proper. Anyways, you seem to not like what said instructions are, so you are concluding that he is incompetent or uncaring? Like I also said, apparently you seem to know God personally, but claim he doesn't exist. I think it's safe to assume that you really have no idea what you are saying.

Also, next time you tell someone that you stopped reading, don't respond to comments that were later in the response. Even more so, I will not break up sentences for you to feel less illiterate because for some reason your brain can't process text without having a big white space between 3-4 lines.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So why doesnt the verse say that instead? Pretty unclear for a holy book if you ask me. Either God gives horribly vague instructions that are open for any interpretation or it was meant for literal translation.

If I was omnipotent and wanted to instruct my creation, I think I could do WAY better. Hell, I am not omnipotent and I could still right a book that has less contradictions and less cryptic verses.

So we are left with two possibilities, God intentionally gave unclear instructions or God is not that good at communicating his message. Either way it doesnt look good for him.

Lastly, you seem to be avoiding the two verses I listed about giving away your material possessions. Is there some cryptic interpretation that allows you to ignore them as well?

So you've never ever used illustrations or hyperbole to make a point? Point blank cut and dry facts would give you the information, but we are humans, we like to be able to reason on things. We like to get emotionally involved. We like to learn and reinforce ideas and work things out for ourselves. This also allows for free will. If you refuse to try to understand, or refuse a reasonable explanation, then that's your choice.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you've never ever used illustrations or hyperbole to make a point? Point blank cut and dry facts would give you the information, but we are humans, we like to be able to reason on things. We like to get emotionally involved. We like to learn and reinforce ideas and work things out for ourselves. This also allows for free will. If you refuse to try to understand, or refuse a reasonable explanation, then that's your choice.

If I was giving instructions on something as critical as God was then YES...you are damn straight that I would be as literal and clear as possible. Imagine if we built nuclear factories using vague and open to interpret instructions. This isnt even on the same scale. These are instructions from the creator of the universe on how to live life according to God's plan or else you are TORTURED FOREVER but yet the instructions are more vague than an HBO season finale.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you've never ever used illustrations or hyperbole to make a point? Point blank cut and dry facts would give you the information, but we are humans, we like to be able to reason on things. We like to get emotionally involved. We like to learn and reinforce ideas and work things out for ourselves. This also allows for free will. If you refuse to try to understand, or refuse a reasonable explanation, then that's your choice.

I would agree up to a point. It becomes completely unnecessary and actually counter productive when illustrations and hyperbole are used in instruction manuals. This would go triple when it's instructions that your beloved children need to follow to save their immortal souls.

"God works in mysterious ways" just doesn't cut it.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would agree up to a point. It becomes completely unnecessary and actually counter productive when illustrations and hyperbole are used in instruction manuals. This would go triple when it's instructions that your beloved children need to follow to save their immortal souls.

"God works in mysterious ways" just doesn't cut it.

I never said that God works in mysterious ways. Blunt facts would only work to a point though. You could tell someone not to commit adultery or they will die, but that will only keep them obedient as long as they're scared of threat of death. Explaining to them how important and meaningful it is to follow that command, and how strongly they need to feel about it in order to maintain their stance goes much much further. You can't do that without colorful language like illustration and hyperbole.

[mtb tripper]

jesus man... don't you understand that arguments like this never get anywhere.