religion

[Eliseus]

Lol, now this thread is getting silly. People who argue religion as a fallacy are just being retarded now and hypocritical, for example, saying that Christians are Atheists towards other religions, but nor accepting that science itself is a religion, which actually has legit proof to support, by definition, Christians are not Atheists in any sort or form, no matter how much you guys again try to create a grey area. I do appreciate the anon trolls though and illogical arguments many of you guys who can't prove stuff like evolution for the good laugh at how its ok to brainwash children upon fallacies of science, but not the fallacies of religion. I'm pretty sure people like Non Quixote is just the same person trying to add more support for his cause lmao.

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol, now this thread is getting silly. People who argue religion as a fallacy are just being retarded now and hypocritical, for example, saying that Christians are Atheists towards other religions, but nor accepting that science itself is a religion, which actually has legit proof to support, by definition, Christians are not Atheists in any sort or form, no matter how much you guys again try to create a grey area. I do appreciate the anon trolls though and illogical arguments many of you guys who can't prove stuff like evolution for the good laugh at how its ok to brainwash children upon fallacies of science, but not the fallacies of religion. I'm pretty sure people like Non Quixote is just the same person trying to add more support for his cause lmao.

Nope, science is no more a religion than atheism is a system of belief. No matter how much you want to keep repeating that it is, it doesn't make any difference because it falls flat against the overwhelming consensus that there is a crystal clear, easily defined distinction between the two. No matter how much want to conflate them, and I'll keep saying this until it sinks in, it simply is not going to pass as fact to any rational human being, and you will be immediately disqualified from having an intellectual conversation about these matters if you continue to do so.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nope, science is no more a religion than atheism is a system of belief. No matter how much you want to keep repeating that it is, it doesn't make any difference because it falls flat against the overwhelming consensus that there is a crystal clear, easily defined distinction between the two. No matter how much want to conflate them, and I'll keep saying this until it sinks in, it simply is not going to pass as fact to any rational human being, and you will be immediately disqualified from having an intellectual conversation about these matters if you continue to do so.

People put blind faith in science all the time. How many people use anti-depressants, when they don't solve their issues, because they have faith in their doctors / pharmaceutical companies telling them that those remedies work. Australia's government falsified climate data to make their temperature records look more conducive to climate change theory. And yet people still think that scientists are not humans like the rest of us, capable of error.

I'm not saying I disagree with you on all of what you've said... But there are tons of people who believe incorrectly in the infallibility of scientists

[leewong]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol, now this thread is getting silly. People who argue religion as a fallacy are just being retarded now and hypocritical, for example, saying that Christians are Atheists towards other religions, but nor accepting that science itself is a religion, which actually has legit proof to support, by definition, Christians are not Atheists in any sort or form, no matter how much you guys again try to create a grey area. I do appreciate the anon trolls though and illogical arguments many of you guys who can't prove stuff like evolution for the good laugh at how its ok to brainwash children upon fallacies of science, but not the fallacies of religion. I'm pretty sure people like Non Quixote is just the same person trying to add more support for his cause lmao.

What do you think scientist actually do? You seem to have a massive misunderstanding of the scientific method or you are being purposefully deceptive. Let me explain to you for the thousandth time in this thread what scientist do:

1. Observe something then ask a question - "I wonder how big Earth is..."

2. Think of an experiment to determine an answer to that question - "With some fancy math and measurements of shadows from two locations that are far apart I can answer this!"

3. Conduct the experiment

4. Have others repeat the experiment to confirm the results. If they match up to yours...congrats. You just solved a question using the scientific method.


Tell me, Eliseus, why do you consider this process like religion? Do churches/cults build massive telescopes, particle colliders, or launch rovers to Mars and I am unaware of it? When was the last time you see a preacher use a microscope to answer a question during his sermon?

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do you think scientist actually do? You seem to have a massive misunderstanding of the scientific method or you are being purposefully deceptive. Let me explain to you for the thousandth time in this thread what scientist do:

1. Observe something then ask a question - "I wonder how big Earth is..."

2. Think of an experiment to determine an answer to that question - "With some fancy math and measurements of shadows from two locations that are far apart I can answer this!"

3. Conduct the experiment

4. Have others repeat the experiment to confirm the results. If they match up to yours...congrats. You just solved a question using the scientific method.


Tell me, Eliseus, why do you consider this process like religion? Do churches/cults build massive telescopes, particle colliders, or launch rovers to Mars and I am unaware of it? When was the last time you see a preacher use a microscope to answer a question during his sermon?

And those scientists who do this are completely immune to external factors like cultural influences and grant money... Come on, you're smarter than this. EVERY group of people has a few dickheads and liars

[leewong]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And those scientists who do this are completely immune to external factors like cultural influences and grant money... Come on, you're smarter than this. EVERY group of people has a few dickheads and liars

Yes, and the scientific method has a built in system to correct false data. Yes, humans make errors. Yes, some scientist will conflate data. That is exactly why peer review exists. Science corrects it's mistakes but it isnt an instant or perfect process. Nothing on Earth is but the scientific method is the MOST RELIABLE process we have for determining reality...hands down.

Show me a better way to determine the laws of the universe if you think science is completely broken.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, and the scientific method has a built in system to correct false data. Yes, humans make errors. Yes, some scientist will conflate data. That is exactly why peer review exists. Science corrects it's mistakes but it isnt an instant or perfect process. Nothing on Earth is but the scientific method is the MOST RELIABLE process we have for determining reality...hands down.

Show me a better way to determine the laws of the universe if you think science is completely broken.

I don't have a better way. But the fact that you believe that this system is infallible, like a devout catholic believes in the Pope, proves that you are in fact treating "science" in a religious fashion. Everything can fail, especially when that thing involves human beings. I'm not saying it does, and I certainly don't believe that evolution is a hoax like everyone else in this thread, but nonetheless it's healthy to challenge even confirmed science. I believe that's part of the scientific method?

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't have a better way. But the fact that you believe that this system is infallible, like a devout catholic believes in the Pope, proves that you are in fact treating "science" in a religious fashion. Everything can fail, especially when that thing involves human beings. I'm not saying it does, and I certainly don't believe that evolution is a hoax like everyone else in this thread, but nonetheless it's healthy to challenge even confirmed science. I believe that's part of the scientific method?

I missed the point of your post... You're right about most of it.

I still think that science is treated like a religion. I thought you said perfect where you had in fact said not perfect... Whoops

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do you think scientist actually do? You seem to have a massive misunderstanding of the scientific method or you are being purposefully deceptive. Let me explain to you for the thousandth time in this thread what scientist do:

1. Observe something then ask a question - "I wonder how big Earth is..."

2. Think of an experiment to determine an answer to that question - "With some fancy math and measurements of shadows from two locations that are far apart I can answer this!"

3. Conduct the experiment

4. Have others repeat the experiment to confirm the results. If they match up to yours...congrats. You just solved a question using the scientific method.


Tell me, Eliseus, why do you consider this process like religion? Do churches/cults build massive telescopes, particle colliders, or launch rovers to Mars and I am unaware of it? When was the last time you see a preacher use a microscope to answer a question during his sermon?

re·li·gion
noun \ri-ˈli-jən\

: the belief in a god or in a group of gods

: an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods

: an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group


a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion>
b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2
: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3
archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
4
: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
— re·li·gion·less adjective
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be·lief
noun \bə-ˈlēf\

: a feeling of being sure that someone or something exists or that something is true

: a feeling that something is good, right, or valuable

: a feeling of trust in the worth or ability of someone

: a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2
: something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3
: conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence







1faith
noun \ˈfāth\

: strong belief or trust in someone or something

: belief in the existence of God : strong religious feelings or beliefs

: a system of religious beliefs

a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty
b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2
a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3
: something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>
— on faith
: without question <took everything he said on faith>




Inb4 you deny more stuff again.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

re·li·gion
noun \ri-ˈli-jən\

: the belief in a god or in a group of gods

: an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods

: an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group


a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion>
b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2
: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3
archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
4
: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
— re·li·gion·less adjective
See religion defined for English-language learners »
See religion defined for kids »








be·lief
noun \bə-ˈlēf\

: a feeling of being sure that someone or something exists or that something is true

: a feeling that something is good, right, or valuable

: a feeling of trust in the worth or ability of someone

: a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2
: something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3
: conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence







1faith
noun \ˈfāth\

: strong belief or trust in someone or something

: belief in the existence of God : strong religious feelings or beliefs

: a system of religious beliefs

a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty
b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2
a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3
: something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>
— on faith
: without question <took everything he said on faith>




Inb4 you deny more stuff again.

So you posted definitions to the word belief, faith, and religion? What exactly is that suppose to prove? Go back and read my post again, numbskull. This time let it sink in.