Public Raid Petitions: P99 Freedom of Information Act

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you could MQ a Twitch stream for plat daldaen, would you? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Quite the obsession with currency.

Nah just seems like Sirken responds to most threads "check out my stream doodz".

[Reguiy]

This would not solve anything. In fact, it would likely create MORE drama. Any petition that is overturned people will cry favoritism. Any decision made would be questioned and heavily scrutinized, especially since the public wouldn't understand all the nuances that factored in to that decision.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Reguiy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This would not solve anything. In fact, it would likely create MORE drama. Any petition that is overturned people will cry favoritism. Any decision made would be questioned and heavily scrutinized, especially since the public wouldn't understand all the nuances that factored in to that decision.

"Based on factual evidence presented X, Guild Y is found in violation of server/raid rule Z."

A consistent enforcement of the rules couldn't be questioned or scrutinized. That's the point.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Reguiy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This would not solve anything. In fact, it would likely create MORE drama. Any petition that is overturned people will cry favoritism. Any decision made would be questioned and heavily scrutinized, especially since the public wouldn't understand all the nuances that factored in to that decision.

Petitions that are appealed and overturned already cause sides to cry favoritism.

Decisions are already questioned and heavily scrutinized.

The public right now can not even begin to understand the nuances because there is a lack of consistency to outcomes from the same situations. The raid rules change week to week and month to month as the petitions happen behind a curtain with rules being told to one group and not the rest of the community.

A public petition would allow for an accessible repository of rulings, reasons, and meted punishments that people could begin to rely on. If we do X, then Y will happen to us.

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by Reguiy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This would not solve anything. In fact, it would likely create MORE drama.

I support public petitions based on possible infusion of drama.

[Sirken]

what if the raid petitions were kept private until they were resolved?

or

what if there was a date, raid petitions will be made public X days after resolution



and @Daldaan, i wish i did get paid to stream, it would give you something else to QQ about

[Latege]

You just ruined your 7,777 post count good job Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what if the raid petitions were kept private until they were resolved?

or

what if there was a date, raid petitions will be made public X days after resolution



and @Daldaan, i wish i did get paid to stream, it would give you something else to QQ about

Oh I have plenty of non-classic things to QQ about as is. Unsure if more QQ is possible.

The unclassic must be slain for the classic we must obtain.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what if the raid petitions were kept private until they were resolved?

or

what if there was a date, raid petitions will be made public X days after resolution

Either would be a step in the right direction. I think the main points are transparency, consistency, and elimination of back-and-forth rules-lawyering (i.e. both parties each submit their evidence once as a total package and GM ruling is based on the facts and what can be corroborated with encounter logs, etc.)

[Fael]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what if the raid petitions were kept private until they were resolved?

or

what if there was a date, raid petitions will be made public X days after resolution



and @Daldaan, i wish i did get paid to stream, it would give you something else to QQ about

I think that either option makes sense, because I can see the concern that public opinion would undermine fair results. Let's be honest, as simple as our game mechanics are, not everyone on these boards has a clue of what happens and why. (It amazes me how many people don't understand FD, sneak, and mob aggro mechanics).

Would it just be resolved petitions that are posted?
I personally would like to see a list of total petitions by guild--the ones that end up in purgatory.
Perhaps Rogean should budget for an official clerk?

Dolic