Dispell mobs suddenly a bit strong?

[fadetree]

It's been said already. The behavior of current dispell is not correct, so any discussion of 'is it too much/too little' is moot until that gets fixed. As far as the challenge goes, I don't care how challenging it is or not, I care whether or not it's classic. Currently it is not.

[Haynar]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's been said already. The behavior of current dispell is not correct, so any discussion of 'is it too much/too little' is moot until that gets fixed. As far as the challenge goes, I don't care how challenging it is or not, I care whether or not it's classic. Currently it is not.

Why is it not classic? If you can prove it is current wrong, I will change it.

Don't post garbage and waste my time.

H

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is it not classic? If you can prove it is current wrong, I will change it.

Don't post garbage and waste my time.

H

I think the only avenue that needs to be investigated is what Dald was mentioning whether clickies could roll a higher 'buff counter power' of 1.

other than that this has felt like a much needed classic change

[fadetree]

Well, its not classic because it doesn't strip the buffs in the correct order? Sorry, H., I had no intention of 'posting garbage'. If you look at my post history I don't really make a habit of that. Excuse me if this came off badly.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by Toodles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am up for more of a challenge, and like strategy as most EQ players do. However every caster (and even some non casters? bug?) going ape shit and spamming a WIN button with dispell is about as enjoyable as the fact that all 'hard' raid mobs in EQ pull out their WIN button, which is AoE fear.

I'd like to leave that nonsense to raids only please!

Yeah, put me down on the "dial it down" camp then. Dispells should be in the mob's rotation, that just makes sense. But if they are essentially spamming it, that is just a nerf in the other direction.

But as to casting random buff slots, that is maybe a trickier gameplay question. If it came down, from the dev side, to "always hit a random buff if dispell hits" to "always hit buffs in slot order" (as previous posters nicely explained) I would side with the latter.

I would argue that the ideal would be, a dispell has a *chance* to hit a random buff slot, but otherwise follows the slot order system, but that may be not something that can be put into the code.

edit: if a dispell makes its roll to dispell a random buff slot, we could use the term "crit dispell" perhaps. From what people are saying, it seems as if mobs are currently always criting their dispells.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, its not classic because it doesn't strip the buffs in the correct order? Sorry, H., I had no intention of 'posting garbage'. If you look at my post history I don't really make a habit of that. Excuse me if this came off badly.

It does you just aren't seeing it that way.

I explained this in a previous post.

1. JBoots (8)
2. Grim Aura (7)
3. Heroic Bond (6)
4. Symbol of Marzin (6)
5. Visions of Grandeur (4)
6. Clarity II (5)
7. Strengthen (1)
8. Resist Magic (4)
9. Resist Cold (2)
10. Resist Fire (2)
11. Regrowth (8)

Imagine you have these buffs, and the (X) is the number of counters each buff has. This is a random roll between 1-8 on every spell.

When a mob casts Cancel Magic on you, it has a roll of 1-4. Let's say it rolls a 4. This roll means that the dispell will work, top down, removing 4 counters from your buffs until it goes through every buff or it removes one.

1. JBoots (8-4=4)
2. Grim Aura (7-4=3)
3. Heroic Bond (6-4=2)
4. Symbol of Marzin (6-4=2)
5. Visions of Grandeur (4-4=BUFF REMOVED)
---Here the Dispell ceases cutting down your buffs---
6. Clarity II (5)
7. Strengthen (1)
8. Resist Magic (4)
9. Resist Cold (2)
10. Resist Fire (2)
11. Regrowth (8)

Had your JBoots rolled a 1 instead, they would've been removed first and no other buff would've been touched.

The "problem" right now is how those counters are determined.

Clickies - IMO - should always roll a 1. So that if they are in top slot they are removed first guaranteed. Which feels pretty classic.

Normal Buffs should have rolls weighted based on level. 50+ buffs should be a 6-8 roll. 1-20 buffs should be a 1-4 roll. Etc. Probably should take into account the caster's level and level of the spell. A 60 player casting a 60 buff should almost always be an 8 for example.

That's just how I think this current setup should work to reflect somewhat what we had in classic.

[Rupertox]

Daldaen that seems correct and evidently is stupid that it doesnt dispell jboots and other clickies and gets the buff number 6 (hero) and then next one exactly the same with symbol, not classic at all, and annoying

[Erati]

if they would make clickies never roll a 'buff counter' greater than 1 all this complaining would poof and we would have a much more classic cancel magic/dispell system

[Daldaen]

Comes back to my post made many times.

All clickies, should be a guaranteed dice roll of 1.

Once you do that, people who pay attention to their clickies have no issue until they come up against enchanter mobs with Recant Magic.

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It does you just aren't seeing it that way.

I explained this in a previous post.

1. JBoots (8)
2. Grim Aura (7)
3. Heroic Bond (6)
4. Symbol of Marzin (6)
5. Visions of Grandeur (4)
6. Clarity II (5)
7. Strengthen (1)
8. Resist Magic (4)
9. Resist Cold (2)
10. Resist Fire (2)
11. Regrowth (8)

Imagine you have these buffs, and the (X) is the number of counters each buff has. This is a random roll between 1-8 on every spell.

I've been trying to find the information for how many counters each buff has. Doesnt even seem to be on the lucy raw data.

Where are you getting this info from please?