The real story behind the Nihilum forced disbanding.

[heartbrand]

Nizzar was short of patience, frequently belittled people and used his position of power to force people into submission, refused to teach many people such as other monks how to pull VP and other zones so that the guild could function without him, was a black hole for guild bank loot with zero accountability, etc.

Gongshow on the other hand is a kind and benevolent leader, he is of great patience, helps even those such as Juggzmcgee learn how to pull VP [something Nizzar would NEVER have done, in fact Nizzar muted Juggz and ultimately booted him], makes decisions that are transparent and just.

Not even close.

[Pikrib]

Off the record Emissary Pikrib: Yeah my guild is pretty scummy too...

Hippo
I don't believe that last part, because I gave Farzo stuff and his group stuff when he was like lvl 15. Along with buffs and heals. Farzo got brainwashed by Drakaris. It is known.

Drakaris
Did you call me a "Bursar" the other day? I was kinda busy in pvp destroying the evil scorge of the server Holocaust. Only to take a T-staff to the face and get melted. It was a fight involving 20 Holocaust and 50 Fresh vs 7 brave Azrael. Sorry if I didn't get back to ya.

Your pal
Emissary Pikrib

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Pikrib [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hippo
I don't believe that last part, because I gave Farzo stuff and his group stuff when he was like lvl 15. Along with buffs and heals. Farzo got brainwashed by Drakaris. It is known.

I know there are nice people on the server in all guilds but Drakaris was in a guild that allowed for him to reach out and bring Farzo in. If you were in Azrael at that time and reached out to Farzo in the same fashion he still would not have been let in. If he was let in as a personal favor to you he wouldn't get epic support or leveling help.

What individuals do at levels 1-50 are good for the server but irrelevant to a players choice of guild at level 50+. At certain points in server history it was either Azrael or Nihilum and everyone knows Azrael has always had the worst support system for new player progression at end game.

50+ the game changes completely. Generally you are KoS to everyone in the game not in your guild. For new players during the Nihilum era Nihilum had to seem like the nicest guild in the world to take them in and help out. All the bullshit that went on explained by Heartbrand is the last thing on the minds of a fresh recruit and by the time they find out (may be 4-6 months) they have already made friends in guild and been ostracized by anyone outside of the guild.

Azrael always made Nihlum stronger by their methods, especially when they would swallow any guild with a chance of having a friendly mentality to new recruits.

[Pikrib]

After farming the server uncontested for 2 years im sure Nihilum had enough cash/loot (minus RMT costs of course) they could twink every new person who started this server if they wanted to. Instead they shat on new guilds planar raids, and corpse camped lvl 52's before there was LnS.

After LnS policy was set in stone and pvp range was changed to 4 lvls they probably seemed like stellar chaps though. Which is probably around the time Farzo/Sapphiay joined the server. So I really don't blame them for thinking Nihilum was the best thing since sliced bread. That was also around the time they finally started losing more often. Not having an iron grip on the server probably made them more welcoming. Nizzar couldnt afford to lose his pixels or would have to get a job for his beer money.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nizzar was short of patience, frequently belittled people and used his position of power to force people into submission, refused to teach many people such as other monks how to pull VP and other zones so that the guild could function without him, was a black hole for guild bank loot with zero accountability, etc.

Gongshow on the other hand is a kind and benevolent leader, he is of great patience, helps even those such as Juggzmcgee learn how to pull VP [something Nizzar would NEVER have done, in fact Nizzar muted Juggz and ultimately booted him], makes decisions that are transparent and just.

Not even close.

Juggz seemed a little frustrated at first but Smaug took him under his wing.

A beautiful moment tbqh.

[Pseudechis]

What does azrael do to help up and coming guilds or players pikrib? When that CoF got ninja'd the other day there was really no main characters there that needed it?

[Pikrib]

Originally Posted by Pseudechis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What does azrael do to help up and coming guilds or players pikrib? When that CoF got ninja'd the other day there was really no main characters there that needed it?

Azrael held open dragon raids, does Holocaust throw open raids?

Yeah didn't think so.

[Pikrib]

p.s. Who are you? Were you at the aforementioned raid?

[iiNGloriouS]

Originally Posted by Pikrib [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Azrael held open dragon raids, does Holocaust throw open raids?

Yeah didn't think so.

Don't need to we're only at 2% capacity with our force, gotta gear dem up ya feelers.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Pseudechis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What does azrael do to help up and coming guilds or players pikrib? When that CoF got ninja'd the other day there was really no main characters there that needed it?

Something this simple has always been the problem with Azrael and I think it has done more damage than any other guild on the server. It is why people that have been around a long time want Azrael gone.

Several guilds that have been up and coming throughout the server history were swallowed up by Azrael. Azrael is attractive to top players that are 60 with decent gear in a new guild . As long as the up and coming guilds are running Azrael is fine but sooner or later the new guild's core gets tired of being a feeder guild. Azrael no longer has any incoming players and their success fizzles out.

Azrael not having a foundation or welcoming players level 50+ has been a bigger detriment to the server than I think most realize.

The idea of having minimum raid sized guilds is all fluff and BS propaganda. It will never work. You aren't going to have a pool of players sitting around waiting for the top tier guilds to have players fizzle out before they get their turn. New players with no gear need to be teamed up with vets to have success in end game content. You aren't going to have a team of 20 players in rags begin to take targets from another team of 20 fully geared players.

For a guild to succeed they need to have a foundation to progress players from level 50 as well as some retention at level 60 to down raid content. New guilds will never achieve this with a guild like Azrael around. If someone gets tired of how big Holocaust is right now and starts their own crew they will eventually have their best players that want to fight Holocaust poached by Azrael.

Azrael is a black hole of geared 60's that want to compete against the number 1 guild.

People compare Holocaust to Nihilum because they are the current number 1 guild but any guild will fall into this role as long as Azrael is around. Holocaust is a lot better than Nihilum because of the intentions and fairness of the leadership.