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Old 01-20-2015, 06:47 PM
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I presented a study, which controlled for factors like occupation and parenthood. You linked a survey ... I'm not sure haksum would approve:
I'll have to look into this more as I'm curious about the pay gap issue as a businessman, but, yes, generally surveys are bullshit and should be taken with a high level of skepticism. Studies usually account more for errors and other factors that surveys don't but can't still be easily manipulated. My underlying point is not to take a survey or study at face value or as a reference until you really look into the methodology and who is conducting/financing the study.

And I just realized I said 'recipient of rape' in my other post and it made me chortle.
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Old 01-20-2015, 07:13 PM
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I'll have to look into this more as I'm curious about the pay gap issue as a businessman, but, yes, generally surveys are bullshit and should be taken with a high level of skepticism. Studies usually account more for errors and other factors that surveys don't but can't still be easily manipulated. My underlying point is not to take a survey or study at face value or as a reference until you really look into the methodology and who is conducting/financing the study.

And I just realized I said 'recipient of rape' in my other post and it made me chortle.
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Old 01-20-2015, 09:59 PM
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My point is that you have to know your pooled participants - which we don't - and that is easily manipulated. I had to do surveys in college as well I can tell you I wasn't truthful on all of them and I doubt I'm the only one especially when you're young and filling them out around your friends. 'Force' being ill-defined makes it ambiguous and can mean any form of force that your brain can think up. Most people don't take random surveys as serious as college entrance exams if they even take them at all.
Fair point, college kids are dumb [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] But like I said I was just giving an example with that study, so if people want to hate on it I'm happy to drop it (there's plenty of other ways to demonstrate that there is some element of "rape culture" in American culture).

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As for the 1 in 6 number, I'm assuming you're referring to the 1995-1996 'Violence against women survey' published by the National Institute of Justice in 1998. There is a lot of interesting information there and some of it seems legit.
There have been several reasonably recent studies looking at the issue (which is why I keep saying that the exact number varies depending on who you ask). But yes that's certainly a good one.

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I was impressed with the directness of the questions until I got to the last one in the 'rape' section. 'Has anyone, male of female, ever attempted to make you have vaginal, oral, or anal sex against your will but intercourse or penetration did not occur?'
Ok, but it does matter if a guy tries to rape a woman and isn't successful right? Attempted rapes are still valuable information if you want to talk about rape in our society. So you can quibble over the exact wording of that particular study, and maybe it could be clearer, but I don't fault them for trying to find relevant information out.

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Interesting fact from the survey: You are almost twice as likely to be the recipient of rape if you are an American Indian or Alaskan Native than if you're black. Check the facts and see what I did there.
This is because of a sad legal reality. The way the laws used to work (I think they're working to fix this so it's probably less true now) a non-native American man could rape a Native American woman, and as long as it happened on the reservation there was no way to prosecute him as long as he made it off the reservation.

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Old 01-20-2015, 10:48 PM
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Don't worry loramin, the guys upstairs tell me that with just 6 more months of your tireless SJW work, you'll be rewarded with all the women you can handle. They're only queue'ing up a couple to start, but I told them they'd need at least a half dozen more ready to go.
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Old 01-21-2015, 08:26 AM
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Don't worry loramin, the guys upstairs tell me that with just 6 more months of your tireless SJW work, you'll be rewarded with all the women you can handle. They're only queue'ing up a couple to start, but I told them they'd need at least a half dozen more ready to go.
That sounds like rape to me.
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