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Old 04-07-2015, 05:16 PM
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The quesation isnt what epic changes RAIDING more than any other epic, it asks what is the most clsas defining epic.

99% of the game is not raiding, 100% of the gameplay is changed with an epic on a shaman. There for the shaman epic is the most drastic change to gameplay you will find in EQ hands down.
The gameplay isn't changed though, you're just more mana efficient. Shaman would still be root rotting 8+ mobs if they had the natural efficiency to do so. Plus, its efficient for soloing only; Epic vs Non-epic rogue is night vs day for soloing/grouping/raiding/tunnelquesting.

Bard is fundamentally changed by their epic.

Cleric's epic changes the game in groups and raids-- like someone else said, you go from wipe and scoot to wipe and another attempt.
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Old 04-07-2015, 05:16 PM
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I wish the thread starter would pick a question for us to answer:

Title: Class defining epic
Quest in OP: most impactful epic
Later in thread: which epic changes the class fundamentally
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Old 04-07-2015, 05:17 PM
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Also in raiding scenarios your epic bards are always going to get the MT and melee DPS groups while the non-epic bards will be with the casters, since not having an epic doesn't change what they can bring to a caster group but an epic bard significantly impacts the melee and MT groups

Can't really think of another class where their role in a raid group literally hinges on having an epic or not.
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Old 04-07-2015, 05:18 PM
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Old 04-07-2015, 05:19 PM
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The gameplay isn't changed though, you're just more mana efficient. Shaman would still be root rotting 8+ mobs if they had the natural efficiency to do so. Plus, its efficient for soloing only; Epic vs Non-epic rogue is night vs day for soloing/grouping/raiding/tunnelquesting.

Bard is fundamentally changed in your options by their epic. Clerics epic changes the game in groups and raids--like someone else said, you go from wipe and scoot to wipe and another attempt.
Whoah you think being able to click rez instead of cast it, is more of a change than being able to rot 1 mob inefficiently to being able to handle any and all group exp camps, by yourself?

Name me one epic that allows you to go from an inefficient strategy into one that can easily solo any groupable content.
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Old 04-07-2015, 05:20 PM
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If you have the sky horn, swap that in for epic during McVaxius cast for rogue or tank group for more DS and DPS. Mmm.
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Can we change this thread to most game changing item now?

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Also in raiding scenarios your epic bards are always going to get the MT and melee DPS groups while the non-epic bards will be with the casters, since not having an epic doesn't change what they can bring to a caster group but an epic bard significantly impacts and melee and MT group.

Can't really think of another class where their role in a raid group literally hinges on having an epic or not.
THAT makes sense to me. Thank you. Ya, I was innocently wondering what is the difference between a bard with an epic in Kunark compared to Velious, but I wasn't completely finished with my question.

This helps me understand the fundamental difference, better.
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Old 04-07-2015, 05:23 PM
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If you have the sky horn, swap that in for epic during McVaxius cast for rogue or tank group for more DS and DPS. Mmm.
I was thinking specifically the psalm of heat and cold songs, which come with a stackable damage shield, that are singing mod only [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Going to be pretty big in Velious where the MT having as much DS as possible will make a big impact on long drawn out fights.
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Old 04-07-2015, 05:24 PM
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I was thinking specifically the psalm of heat and cold songs, which come with a stackable damage shield, that are singing mod only [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Going to be pretty big in Velious where the MT having as much DS as possible will make a big impact on long drawn out fights.
Psalm with epic, blazing vambraces/singing steel bracer, and mxvaxius with sky horn. Yum yum.
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