Stormfeather

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Altereagle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The last time the players tried to make a list and agreed to it, a variance was added.

Variance being added had nothing to do with a list.

[Altereagle]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Variance being added had nothing to do with a list.

It brought the player run agreement to a halt, which is the type of negotiating you suggest we use to sort out issues.

It was a decision that was made without considering the player managed agreements that were being discussed, which is p99's prerogative, however, it kicks the wind out of the idea that player manage agreements will last without overarching intervention that could dissolve player agreements.

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by Altereagle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It brought the player run agreement to a halt, which is the type of negotiating you suggest we use to sort out issues.

It was a decision that was made without considering the player managed agreements that were being discussed, which is p99's prerogative, however, it kicks the wind out of the idea that player manage agreements will last without overarching intervention that could dissolve player agreements.

Aka vindi.

Why do we keep thinking variance is the answer? Either just make it 3 real life days for everything so that no one poopsocks anything and it's all mobilization or remove it to like an hour so it's just not fastest connection FTE. What the heck is 16 hour variances good for? Why make stormfeather more difficult to get? Discourage lists and player made agreements or encourage them, but frankly the concept behind it all is confusing.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Altereagle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It brought the player run agreement to a halt, which is the type of negotiating you suggest we use to sort out issues.

It was a decision that was made without considering the player managed agreements that were being discussed, which is p99's prerogative, however, it kicks the wind out of the idea that player manage agreements will last without overarching intervention that could dissolve player agreements.

I'm fairly certain none of the developers knew about any sort of player managed agreement for Vindicator. I didn't, at least.

That being said, it can be looked into again.

[bktroost]

For Vindi we had multiple channels going with full on discussion. Some in the raid thread, some on private forums and some in personal tells. We got every guild to sign saying that they were willing to come to the table to work out a system. The day that variance went in all communication came to a halt.

If it is removed, I assume communication will commence.

[Man0warr]

I like it the way it is now tbh - more about having a guildie or group in zone seeing it up and then mobilizing.

[Kushie]

He spawns too often for a dumb rotation.

[Pringles]

Originally Posted by Kushie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He spawns too often for a dumb rotation.

So we've been doing sky wrong all these years? Fuck.

[Ravager]

Instances and tokens.

[Altereagle]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Discourage lists and player made agreements or encourage them.

thumbs ^