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02-02-2011, 07:34 PM
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The idea of God and the choice to believe is present in every individual - religion requires collective coercion.
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02-02-2011, 08:24 PM
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Just because religion is wrong doesn't mean that a belief in some form of either intelligent design, or a deity of some sort, is "stupid". | |||
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02-03-2011, 12:49 PM
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This thread makes me really sad to see the shape of people, and how deranged and mislead they are. It makes me want to be able to get through to them, and somewhere deep down I feel like I can, but obviously they are set in their ways, and thus I must not cast my pearls before swine. So conflicted, how to care about people, yet have to walk away when you just see the point of blind hatred is unbreakable. | |||
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02-02-2011, 07:24 PM
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Anthony Flew, former Atheist
http://www.biola.edu/antonyflew/flew-interview.pdf FLEW: I think that the most impressive arguments for God’s existence are those that are supported by recent scientific discoveries. I’ve never been much impressed by the kalam cosmological argument, and I don’t think it has gotten any stronger recently. However, I think the argument to Intelligent Design is enormously stronger than it was when I first met it. FLEW: (...) It seems to me that Richard Dawkins constantly overlooks the fact that Darwin himself, in the fourteenth chapter of The Origin of Species, pointed out that his whole argument began with a being which already possessed reproductive powers. This is the creature the evolution of which a truly comprehensive theory of evolution must give some account. Darwin himself was well aware that he had not produced such an account. It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty years of DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design This doesn't mean people are young-earth creationists - just because they're open to the idea of intelligent design. Anyone who's spent any real time debating or reading the academics in the field don't waste their time insulting people - they get right to the crux arguments. So get to them - and don't degrade others for having a belief you don't understand, particularly if you're not getting to the facts yourself, or perhaps don't really know them at all.
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02-03-2011, 12:29 AM
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The source of Intelligent Design "theory" is a fundamentalist Christian project called the Discovery Institute. The Discovery Institute commissioned a viable argument for teaching creationism or the "controversy" of evolution in public schools. This culminated in the 1989 publication of "Of Pandas and People," a pseudo-science high school biology text. The thoughts behind intelligent design have been around since the Greek philosophers. The "proof" of a creator changes from era to era as our understanding of underlying science increases. The most recent arguments center around irreducible complexity, with the most popular example being bacterial flagella. Interestingly enough, these arguments resemble Boggwin's logic of searching for an unknown and claiming that an unknown proves the existence of God. The Discovery Institute avoids naming God and favors the euphemism "the designer." The big problem with ID is that it doesn't hold up to scientific process. As a theory, it's untestable nature causes it to fail. Its dearth of peer-reviewed publications leaves it with basically William Dembski and Michael Behe to defend it, and even Dembski bailed on testifying about ID after he saw the difficulties Behe had in cross-examination. One interesting aspect of ID, to me, is lack of acceptance by the Vatican. Catholic policy has slowly evolved (heh) to accept the possibility of Darwin's theories but high-ranking church scholars reject ID. I don't quite understand the reasoning, but it has something to do with the difference between divine causality and created causality. Personally, I find no credibility whatsoever in any of the origins, objectives or methods of the Discovery Institute. There are no other significant backers of ID. I find the entire project decidedly disingenuous, deceptive and surprisingly un-Christian. I have much more respect for people like RocketMoose who expresses his faith as faith and doesn't try to make it into what it is not. On the other topic of who tends to be atheistic, theistic or agnostic, you offer some very broad generalizations with no supporting evidence. I think you know this is a completely vapid argument. | ||||
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02-03-2011, 02:37 AM
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it is important to note that, according to the Catholic understanding of divine causality, true contingency in the created order is not incompatible with a purposeful divine providence. Divine causality and created causality radically differ in kind and not only in degree. Thus, even the outcome of a truly contingent natural process can nonetheless fall within God’s providential plan for creation. Yes...Catholics have their cake and eat it, too...and it's a much more preferable view than the bible thumping "you're goin' to hell fer sayin' we come from monkeys, boy" crowd. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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02-02-2011, 08:12 PM
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For one Bogg is a known troll. He had what a 20page thread months ago and at the end said I'm lying about everything haha trolled you. Than stated his friend and him were laughing so hard. HE"S A CHILD. he's probably atheist and just getting a kick out of this again.
Anyways, I don't believe god created anything. Neither does steven hawking. Kinda odd that the most int. people on the planet a huge majority of them don't believe either. If there was any , and I mean any proof at all. I would second guess if a god existed. What if there are MANY gods 10 or 400 or 9999999 of them? When does space end ? If this god created the universe. It doesn't care at all about humans or other beings. It doesn't show itself even though it could. It lets nature take it's course , will be the answer as to why so much pain is in the world believers will say. Why we were created with nerve endings and not a different form of signals to the brain. There is no god, until proven. = There is 0 evidence of a god There is tons of evidence for science. I am glad people have hope in something to get them through life. I don't need too and I can not make myself believe a lie. It's impossible. Kids on my bus used to tease me at the age of 6 because I didn't believe in god. I just hope soon we can prove there is none. With all the evidence of HOW the universe was created without a god. They already have it ,, it's almost done. a few more years maybe for the fine details. I can still be a morally better person than anyone that believes in god. | ||
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02-02-2011, 08:23 PM
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