Times like these...

[Lurikeen]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why can't you people understand that the fact that people break laws isn't an argument against the concept of laws?

You are demonstrating how you miss the point. It isn't that your opponent has given you flawed logic, it is that you are willfully ignoring the reasoning given to you. No kidding people break laws, duh! You're assuming that people who aren't like you are nitwits. What you don't want to understand is that an armed public is actually a good resolution to certain problems of public safety (Private gun ownership Bad! More guns bad! Right?). That goes beyond your comprehension because you have adopted the lie that more regulation equals more safety. That's why your're getting bashed with rock metaphors and the like (pun intended, since I like bad puns). The point is, the regulations you desire aren't making you safe.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Lurikeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are demonstrating how you miss the point. It isn't that your opponent has given you flawed logic, it is that you are willfully ignoring the reasoning given to you. No kidding people break laws, duh! You're assuming that people who aren't like you are nitwits. What you don't want to understand is that an armed public is actually a good resolution to certain problems of public safety. That goes beyond your comprehension because you have adopted the lie that more regulation equals more safety. That's why your're getting bashed with rock metaphors and the like (pun intended, since I like bad puns). The point is, the regulations you desire aren't making you safe.

Oh yea, how could I miss that point you weren't making until now?

Where did I say I didn't want an armed public? I don't want armed criminals and lunatics. Obviously, they will still find guns. I just want to make it more difficult. Currently, as I've demonstrated, it is not very difficult.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What you quoted is out of context. I'm saying an increase in mass murders shouldn't be pushed as the reason for gun regulations, because I agree with you, it's factually false. The USA having a relatively high rate of mass murders, however, is factually true to the best of my knowledge. (The US leads the world in spree incidents but not fatalities per capita, obviously). Note that I don't see this as justification of gun laws. Honestly I appreciate that you went through the trouble to post those sources and I looked through them myself to see where they got their data and if they were appropriately rigorous, how their variables were defined etc, and it looked good.

And if you notice, I was only arguing against the fallacious reasoning of iruinedyourday. I wasn't making any larger point, but simply responding to a single instance of woefully inaccurate data. So I don't understand what you're debating. Please do try and keep up.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And if you notice, I was only arguing against the fallacious reasoning of iruinedyourday. I wasn't making any larger point, but simply responding to a single instance of woefully inaccurate data. So I don't understand what you're debating. Please do try and keep up.

you cant argue with me becuse you dismiss everything I say without reading it and then reply to me about something else entierly. Ive tried to tell you over and over again that you do this but you just respond by ad hominem.

[Nocsucow]

mire laws = more punishment for the good people who do everything legit....

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Nocsucow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

mire laws = more punishment for the good people who do everything legit....

you act like requiring you to learn how to drive and regestering your car and paying fee's is punishment.

[Nocsucow]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you act like requiring you to learn how to drive and regestering your car and paying fee's is punishment.

you can't register a car without a license which requires you to learn how to drive and then you pay fees and money for all actions above..

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Nocsucow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you can't register a car without a license which requires you to learn how to drive and then you pay fees and money for all actions above..

Do you understand the metaphor I was trying to make?

[iruinedyourday]

aaaaaand now the gun thread is a racist one lol

like I said this fucking section of the forums, theres a reason I took a year off from it.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

anyways I digress.. please, go on tell me more about how white people are better than other races and how you are not a biased racist?

That's not what we are saying.

White people aren't better than other races. Our culture is better than other cultures at running a stable, prosperous civilization. Many blacks are part of this culture. Unfortunately, many more aren't. The culture they are a part of tends to be toxic and dysfunctional. This is documented fact; members of this culture commit disproportionately high amounts of crime, and generally fail to reach positive outcomes in our society.

Consider the monstrous racism Chinese in California were exposed to historically, which was no better than blacks were treated in the South. (It included segregation, deportations, confiscation of property, draconian laws, lynchings, etc) Nevertheless, Chinese and most Asian diaspora have extremely good outcomes in our society. Why? Because their culture is very conducive to achievement, valuing family bonds, networking, hard work, educational attainment, and the rule of law. And of course the Jews (a culture that spans multiple "races") who, in spite of over 5,000 years of being a near-universally mistreated minority, managed to come out on top pretty much everywhere they settled.

Is culture 100% responsible for their position? No, obviously institutional racism and poverty play some role, but I don't see how you can reconcile the fact that different cultures so reliably demonstrate different outcomes, even within the same/similar race (Hmong vs. Han Chinese, Jewish vs. Non-Jewish, Sicilian vs. Lombard, Mexican vs. Cuban)