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Old 02-16-2016, 04:54 PM
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you don't have to believe it has merit, but setting up strawmen to knock down certainly indicates you don't really care what anyone else says against it. which is probably true, right? so continue if you'd like
But speaking for the majority of players and saying they all want/appreciate the interaction between porter and player is also pretty asinine.

Truth is there's a large contingent of players that want Luclin/PoP. However, the other truth is that P99 isn't going to Luclin and beyond which makes this whole thread pretty dumb. I'm surprised it's gotten this big.
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Old 02-16-2016, 05:32 PM
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But speaking for the majority of players and saying they all want/appreciate the interaction between porter and player is also pretty asinine.
Agreed, but that's not what was being said. A lot of people find the process of finding ports irritating, I get that. I found it irritating on Live myself; I played a wizard and loathed being bothered for ports. PoK books were one of the best things that happened to me. (Which doesn't mean I want to see them here.)

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Truth is there's a large contingent of players that want Luclin/PoP. However, the other truth is that P99 isn't going to Luclin and beyond which makes this whole thread pretty dumb. I'm surprised it's gotten this big.
yeah, agreed
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Old 02-16-2016, 07:05 PM
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Its possible that it is only a vocal minority who believe there is something cool and meaningful in the find a teleport interaction.

Also should be noted, there is no book for Velious outside of Great Divide. Enjoy running.
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Old 02-16-2016, 07:20 PM
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Its possible that it is only a vocal minority who believe there is something cool and meaningful in the find a teleport interaction.

Also should be noted, there is no book for Velious outside of Great Divide. Enjoy running.
Another reason I find the outrage over PoK books to be silly. There were a lot of times that porting was still way faster to get to certain places. Karanas? You're running from Qeynos if u take the book. Velious is another example GD is the only spot. Trying to get to ToV? Enjoy your 40 minute run.
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Old 02-17-2016, 03:23 PM
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Another reason I find the outrage over PoK books to be silly. There were a lot of times that porting was still way faster to get to certain places. Karanas? You're running from Qeynos if u take the book. Velious is another example GD is the only spot. Trying to get to ToV? Enjoy your 40 minute run.
teleport spells are part of why people make druids and wizards
  1. strong utility spells like ports makes the player feel needed and wanted
  2. poor players use it to make money
  3. as an old player, you may have already traveled the world, but newer players havent. Instant and free pok books takes away all traveling and everything that comes with it (exploring an unkown zone, coming across a rare mob, running into a sand giant etc)

How would you like it if the game took a major part of your class design and just gave it to everyone for free? Maybe we should have slow wands on a vendor in every city, because getting a shaman to do it for me is too much of a hassle.

PoK made the game feel cheaper and began the long and shit-strewn walk down the path of making the game easier. Fuck PoK. Fuck Luclin.
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Old 02-17-2016, 03:48 PM
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teleport spells are part of why people make druids and wizards
  1. strong utility spells like ports makes the player feel needed and wanted
  2. poor players use it to make money
  3. as an old player, you may have already traveled the world, but newer players havent. Instant and free pok books takes away all traveling and everything that comes with it (exploring an unkown zone, coming across a rare mob, running into a sand giant etc)

How would you like it if the game took a major part of your class design and just gave it to everyone for free? Maybe we should have slow wands on a vendor in every city, because getting a shaman to do it for me is too much of a hassle.

PoK made the game feel cheaper and began the long and shit-strewn walk down the path of making the game easier. Fuck PoK. Fuck Luclin.
As the game grew, there was a decision at SOE to focus on endgame, rather than pre 40's content. This made all the stuff you love, that most of us love, like hailing NPC's in the karanas and chasing Bark Shield drops, traveling through east krana just to get to high hold, all of that became less of the focus for the expanded content.

So yea all the stuff added in luclin and on, specifically was designed to reduce the pre 40's game play and focus on end game raiding, something SOE decided its playerbase was focused on anyway.

So for us old timers that love vanilla, it means we like kunark a little (cus it was an across the board expansion, low and high level quest & content). Velious, was the first to focus more on the high level content, however it did still have that "Brad" required pre 40's content as well.. You'll notice it rapidly dropped off after luclin and the focus is put on end game content.

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teleport spells are part of why people make druids and wizards
  1. strong utility spells like ports makes the player feel needed and wanted
  2. poor players use it to make money
  3. as an old player, you may have already traveled the world, but newer players havent. Instant and free pok books takes away all traveling and everything that comes with it (exploring an unkown zone, coming across a rare mob, running into a sand giant etc)

How would you like it if the game took a major part of your class design and just gave it to everyone for free? Maybe we should have slow wands on a vendor in every city, because getting a shaman to do it for me is too much of a hassle.

PoK made the game feel cheaper and began the long and shit-strewn walk down the path of making the game easier. Fuck PoK. Fuck Luclin.
Yeah pretty much, though not why all play them. Personally, I don't really care for porting people around. Though I really do like having the ability to leave an overpopulated area for a better one at the time, even though my character may not be as good at certain aspects of combat than say a shammy or necro but w/o the ability to port. It's just a trade-off.

Part of the big problem with more modern EQ is it started all going homogeneous. It became more casual and with the blurred definitions of classes. Yeah with porting, but then with C from Enc's but to rather just get that super buff (forget the name now) that lasts a long time. Then heck, why not those followers too? I left live before then and went to the emu but they give heals etc. Then you could buy haste off a vendor, or C or whatever.

It was a gradual slide, PoK books were just a part of it all. As long as it's someone else getting screwed than it's ok. But eventually everyone gets screwed.
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Yeah pretty much, though not why all play them. Personally, I don't really care for porting people around. Though I really do like having the ability to leave an overpopulated area for a better one at the time, even though my character may not be as good at certain aspects of combat than say a shammy or necro but w/o the ability to port. It's just a trade-off.

Part of the big problem with more modern EQ is it started all going homogeneous. It became more casual and with the blurred definitions of classes. Yeah with porting, but then with C from Enc's but to rather just get that super buff (forget the name now) that lasts a long time. Then heck, why not those followers too? I left live before then and went to the emu but they give heals etc. Then you could buy haste off a vendor, or C or whatever.
Lets not pretend this has anything to do with Luclin or Planes. Good straw tho.
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