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[JurisDictum]

Casual = not in A/A in this context...its a hazy definition.

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Casual = not in A/A in this context...its a hazy definition.

Yea I sorta feel like anything below the A/A line is kinda in the casual category. BDA is sort of on the edge I feel like. But what do I know.

[Pokesan]

BDA is neither casual nor hardcore, existing in a state of quantum hell between the two

please change your sigs to reflect this thank you

[Swish]

"Not casual, not hardcore... but we'll make our minds up to be casual if another rotation appears" is the answer you're looking for.

[JurisDictum]

I did feel bad watching BDA show up for that one quake months back. You guys got yelled at for some BS on the zone in and then just tried to pull Ikatiar and accidentally trained yourselves. A/A seemed to nudge you out by threat of petition (I in no way know that though, that's just what it looked like from the outside).

You guys left soon after which was kind of sad. It's not like anyone would have missed the Ikatiar pixils that damn much.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I did feel bad watching BDA show up for that one quake months back. You guys got yelled at for some BS on the zone in and then just tried to pull Ikatiar and accidentally trained yourselves. A/A seemed to nudge you out by threat of petition (I in no way know that though, that's just what it looked like from the outside).

You guys left soon after which was kind of sad. It's not like anyone would have missed the Ikatiar pixils that damn much.

Uhhh we had Ikatiar at like 40% and Forsaken was pulling triplets down to the entrance which fucking steamrolled us. For our troubles Sirken suspended them for two Ikatiars, which Asgard killed instead. Justice (I think)

[Turp]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Uhhh we had Ikatiar at like 40% and Forsaken was pulling triplets down to the entrance which fucking steamrolled us. For our troubles Sirken suspended them for two Ikatiars, which Asgard killed instead. Justice (I think)

Lol ok that is a little fucked. You was the master pusher (THE FACE) on class R otation though. So I am sure you can understand getting some flak from the other side.
Sorry about the rule lawyers. We really want no rules (which we both know , is all bad for you guys) But than casuals go in, and they Knew. Just like I messaged you i also did them. I said if they fight for mass repops or another rotation system they are gonna get races. And what did they do? They chose races instead of fighting to lower variance.

That being said... I am glad your guild BDA understands about how lower variance would stick A/A to picking and choosing and in the end you non hardcore guilds would reap the rewards. Literally the lower variance idea even still at a pretty big 8 or 10 hours. Even THAT would be more than rotating a mob every 3 months. Why will you not go public for lower variance and explain to the casual friends you allied with for the class system that it would benefit them and it is possible.
Did they all turn against you ? If they did , FUCK EM. You stop fighting A/A and join the cause. If staff sees BDA and A/A getting along maybe they will see the other guilds are doing exactly what ended their old rotation system. Which is bitch about everything and want more.
It is not joining the dark side . It is common sense brother , we are tired of staying up late and in return will give you bunch of mobs. And really just you. Cause if it happens at this point after they could of had it but didn't want it. If it does happen. I hope BDA goes ham (which u guys wouldn't but really should) and that means Velious mobs included. (yes 2 guilds no matter how hardcore cannot lock it all down if variance was lowered , but you can guarantee we lock you guys out of races keeping 16 hour variance.). But yet these guys continue to bitch about more repops (wont happen) rotation (been there done that, nope) instead. What the hell are those guys on? You was their master at one time. Whats going on here...

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Uhhh we had Ikatiar at like 40% and Forsaken was pulling triplets down to the entrance which fucking steamrolled us. For our troubles Sirken suspended them for two Ikatiars, which Asgard killed instead. Justice (I think)

hmmmm

[Mistle]

BDA made up for it last quake where somehow all the drama happened wherever BDA wasn't. Zonein trains in ToV and that ridiculous stall on Tormax... BDA was in VP and at Dain, and by the time BDA arrived in ToV it was all quiet and pretty cordial with Aftermath and everything was worked out in a mature fashion with alternating pulltrains.

[khysanth]

I'm pretty sick of the casual/hardcore binary nomenclature.

This binary is the product of broader conflation of casual and hardcore. For one thing, casual itself isn't as cut and dry as many think. For example, some people are born casual (though, to be clear, this wouldn't necessarily bear on such an individual's raid identity).

It's often said that casual is what's between your legs and hardcore is what's between your ears. Although these categories are related, they don't neatly align for everyone. Casual runs along a broad spectrum of possibilities, and constricting raiding lifestyle options to only "casual" and "hardcore" inhibits the expression of this range of identities. A variety of common descriptors, such as hard-cas, soft-hard, and raid fluid, may more accurately describe an individual's play style.