I swear the server is filled with three year olds

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by Llandris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That being said, you can absolutely "camp" mobs, and you cannot steal another players 'camp'. In general, if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed, that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders (or the room if there are no placeholders) cleared, within the same zone, do not die or log off. You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it. You cannot hold multiple 'camps' if another group wishes to contest one that you are holding. The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up.

Please do your best to use courtesy and common sense when interacting with other players in spawn disputes.

Pretty cut and dry OP, sorry you lost at RnF

[Qtip]

Originally Posted by hotkarlmarxbros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Three year olds whose vocabulary consists only of the word "MINE!" and nothing else.

Here is the situation: Fragmented is killing all three ice giants outside of permafrost. Great. He can have the two spawn, now that I'm here, I will take the single spawn. I assume this goes without saying because these are two separate camps as there is nowhere you could sit maintaining LOS on all three mobs (which I could be mistaken, please correct me if I'm wrong). After killing the single spawn we come back to a bit of an outburst.

outburst

After stating this, his buddy Scrody shows up and sits at the two spawn and he plops down next to me at the single spawn, ready to nuke down the ice giant when he pops:

situation

As there are no GMs on, I humbly submit this to RnF in hopes of getting some clarification. Are all three ice giants a single camp making me the asshole here? Or is the single spawn a separate camp and Fragmented is in the wrong?

3 mobs within 10 seconds of each other is one camp if you can keep them down. You could break any camp in this game with multiple turns into separate camps if this was the case.

Lguk Lord area would be multiple camps, but considered one camp if you call lord. Because you cant see lords room from the beginning of the hallway doesnt make it 2 camps.

[Worry]

I don't get caught up in camp drama because when it arises it's a good excuse to try out a more obscure zone, so I can't personally comment on the rules here BUT...

Fragmented is a good dude, and I've had multiple positive encounters with him over the years.

[beversami]

Is the book up?

[Sacer]

While I don't like what OP did, it's true that no one have a clue how it works GM included.

It's suposed to be an outdoor zone so it should be FFA?

There is also that rule that a camp is only 1 room where you need line of sight on all the mobs, that third giant is cleary not in line of sight and should be considered a second camp?

I have also this issue when doing frenzy in velk, I also do CE on the way and people lawyer me out of the camp all the time saying frenzy + CE is 2 different camp, but I keep them down and from frenzy I clearly have line of sight on CE they're so close.

Another example not long ago I log in at BM in velk, everything is up two named up I start to clear, and like 10min later there is a dude telling me I am stealing his camp, I didn't do a camp check and he died and was recovering at entrance, I am clearly in the wrong he said. I gave him his camp back because I don't like drama but really people are so entitled. Tecnically that camp was mine already and that guy just stole one of the named while I was killing the other.

[Thermite]

Waiting on the day Nilbog pulls the plug and claims all the camps for himself.... lord of the loot

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Sacer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While I don't like what OP did, it's true that no one have a clue how it works GM included.

It's suposed to be an outdoor zone so it should be FFA?

There is also that rule that a camp is only 1 room where you need line of sight on all the mobs, that third giant is cleary not in line of sight and should be considered a second camp?

I have also this issue when doing frenzy in velk, I also do CE on the way and people lawyer me out of the camp all the time saying frenzy + CE is 2 different camp, but I keep them down and from frenzy I clearly have line of sight on CE they're so close.

Another example not long ago I log in at BM in velk, everything is up two named up I start to clear, and like 10min later there is a dude telling me I am stealing his camp, I didn't do a camp check and he died and was recovering at entrance, I am clearly in the wrong he said. I gave him his camp back because I don't like drama but really people are so entitled. Tecnically that camp was mine already and that guy just stole one of the named while I was killing the other.

I'm not sure I agree with the "GM included" part, but you used to sort of have a point. For awhile at least a lot of this server's rules were only available in the heads of the GMs, and it was difficult for anyone else to know them unless they read every post the staff made on the forums.

But then some bored idiot made the wiki's Camp Rules page. And soon thereafter someone who was neither bored nor an idiot (but rather a tireless volunteer staff member who keeps making things better for everyone despite having a thankless job) modified the official server Play Nice Policies to summarize those same rules (although you still need the Camp Rules page for some of the gritty details).

Between those two people and their efforts, that old excuse is pretty much gone now. Anyone who has any interest in understanding how camp rules works can either read the official server rules on the forum OR the slightly more detailed Camp Rules wiki page, and have all their questions answered.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not sure I agree with the "GM included" part, but you used to sort of have a point. For awhile at least a lot of this server's rules were only available in the heads of the GMs, and it was difficult for anyone else to know them unless they read every post the staff made on the forums.

But then some bored idiot made the wiki's Camp Rules page. And soon thereafter someone who was neither bored nor an idiot (but rather a tireless volunteer staff member who keeps making things better for everyone despite having a thankless job) modified the official server Play Nice Policies to summarize those same rules (although you still need the Camp Rules page for some of the gritty details).

Between those two people and their efforts, that old excuse is pretty much gone now. Anyone who has any interest in understanding how camp rules works can either read the official server rules on the forum OR the slightly more detailed Camp Rules wiki page, and have all their questions answered.

Vichy

[Skarne]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not sure I agree with the "GM included" part, but you used to sort of have a point. For awhile at least a lot of this server's rules were only available in the heads of the GMs, and it was difficult for anyone else to know them unless they read every post the staff made on the forums.

But then some bored idiot made the wiki's Camp Rules page. And soon thereafter someone who was neither bored nor an idiot (but rather a tireless volunteer staff member who keeps making things better for everyone despite having a thankless job) modified the official server Play Nice Policies to summarize those same rules (although you still need the Camp Rules page for some of the gritty details).

Between those two people and their efforts, that old excuse is pretty much gone now. Anyone who has any interest in understanding how camp rules works can either read the official server rules on the forum OR the slightly more detailed Camp Rules wiki page, and have all their questions answered.

Loramin is the best

[Sacer]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not sure I agree with the "GM included" part
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Anyone who has any interest in understanding how camp rules works can either read the official server rules on the forum OR the slightly more detailed Camp Rules wiki page, and have all their questions answered.

The "GM included part" is there because different GMs can have a different ruling that's how obscure those rules are, I am not blaming the GM they do a great job overall, and no you cannot find a definitive answer from those links you gave.

Like the Frenzy camp in velk some people consider it 4 differents camp, some just 1 camp, for some it's 3 camps, almost everyone got a different opinion on that one and I'm pretty sure it's the same for the GMs.