I swear the server is filled with three year olds

[Jibartik]

HEY! I take offense!

We are ADULT 3 year olds.

[loramin]

(Or at least, you should proceed with that assumption until you either A) check with every person in the zone, or B) hang out, wait for the mob to spawn, wait a "reasonable" amount of time for the mob's owner to show up and kill it, and only after that "reasonable" amount of time if the mob is still up then maybe it actually is your's.)

[hotkarlmarxbros]

loramin, I appreciate what you are trying to say, and I 100% agree with you that I should either give an /ooc that I am contesting a vacant camp or just wait for the mob to pop to see if anybody comes around. In my mind, it's a quick 6 minute spawn, and if someone other than the guy who is already holding the two spawn comes over, I have no problem yielding the camp (which is why I did the /who to see who really was in the zone at the time and I didn't get anybody gating back saying "hey this is my camp."). I can see now this is not the right approach and I should make my intentions clear from the jump. That being said...

This guy is sitting at the two giant camp and coming over into what is widely known as a separate camp and telling me to GTFO. Does he want to take the single spawn as his camp rather than the two spawn? Nope, he wants all three. This would not have been settled with an /ooc of me saying I was taking the camp, that would have just fast forwarded his tantrum about 4-5 minutes. Fragmented is a bully, and people giving him a pass for acting like this is a large part of the reason why we can see a pattern of this behavior across the server.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by hotkarlmarxbros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This guy is sitting at the two giant camp and coming over into what is widely known as a separate camp and telling me to GTFO. Does he want to take the single spawn as his camp rather than the two spawn? Nope, he wants all three. This would not have been settled with an /ooc of me saying I was taking the camp, that would have just fast forwarded his tantrum about 4-5 minutes. Fragmented is a bully, and people giving him a pass for acting like this is a large part of the reason why we can see a pattern of this behavior across the server.

I wasn't there and it's in the past, so I won't speculate about it. All I'm saying is in the future if a mob isn't up, you should assume it's not your's.

Maybe the person is at some completely different camp, half a zone away ... but even so, it's not unreasonable for someone to kill two mobs (or two camps of mobs) when no one else is killing them. Maybe there's valuable NPC X (eg. Soothsayer in Droga), and after I kill them I have nothing better to do so I go kill some less valuable NPC Y (goblin bodyguard post-nerf) while I wait.

Just because I went to kill Y (when no one else was), it doesn't mean I want to give up X. If, in order to keep X, I had to sit and wait for him to respawn (not killing anything else), that would suck.

Thus, the camp rules don't say that. In fact, they don't even matter at all until someone new shows up and communicates with the person currently doing the camp. That's on purpose: since the first person is allowed to leave mob X to kill mob Y, and thus can't know that a new person arrived, the burden is on the new person to see that X is down and thus understand that it's likely claimed.

That newcomer should assume (unless the mob is Fippy Darkpaw) that it didn't kill itself, and so when it respawns (and for a short while after) by the server rules it will be someone else's.

[Legday]

Originally Posted by hotkarlmarxbros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

loramin, I appreciate what you are trying to say, and I 100% agree with you that I should either give an /ooc that I am contesting a vacant camp or just wait for the mob to pop to see if anybody comes around. In my mind, it's a quick 6 minute spawn, and if someone other than the guy who is already holding the two spawn comes over, I have no problem yielding the camp (which is why I did the /who to see who really was in the zone at the time and I didn't get anybody gating back saying "hey this is my camp."). I can see now this is not the right approach and I should make my intentions clear from the jump. That being said...

This guy is sitting at the two giant camp and coming over into what is widely known as a separate camp and telling me to GTFO. Does he want to take the single spawn as his camp rather than the two spawn? Nope, he wants all three. This would not have been settled with an /ooc of me saying I was taking the camp, that would have just fast forwarded his tantrum about 4-5 minutes. Fragmented is a bully, and people giving him a pass for acting like this is a large part of the reason why we can see a pattern of this behavior across the server.

OP stop acting like you didn't know what was going on. It doesn't take a seasoned rule aficionado to know that you didn't handle this honestly. Anybody capable of deductive reasoning would have seen the IG you showed up at was dead, seen the other 2 had a player killing/sitting near them, and been 99% sure that the same guy was killing all 3.

From that point, regardless of how sure you were about who killed the IF less than 6 minutes ago, you had 2 options:

1)Reach out to him proactively and ask for 1 of the camps. If you wanted to cite the rules on what constitutes a camp AFTER he said no, you'd be in the right.

2)Kill the mob quickly when it pops and deal with the fallout while citing the rules.

You consciously opted for #2. You know it. Fragmented knew it. Everybody in this thread knows it. Any GM that showed up would have seen it and lectured you on the PNP because you didn't handle it honestly.

[hotkarlmarxbros]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP stop acting like you didn't know what was going on. It doesn't take a seasoned rule aficionado to know that you didn't handle this honestly. Anybody capable of deductive reasoning would have seen the IG you showed up at was dead, seen the other 2 had a player killing/sitting near them, and been 99% sure that the same guy was killing all 3.

From that point, regardless of how sure you were about who killed the IF less than 6 minutes ago, you had 2 options:

1)Reach out to him proactively and ask for 1 of the camps. If you wanted to cite the rules on what constitutes a camp AFTER he said no, you'd be in the right.

2)Kill the mob quickly when it pops and deal with the fallout while citing the rules.

You consciously opted for #2. You know it. Fragmented knew it. Everybody in this thread knows it. Any GM that showed up would have seen it and lectured you on the PNP because you didn't handle it honestly.

Look man, I just sat down and decided to take what I understood to be a separate camp knowing that other players need to commit to a single camp. I figured it would be no big deal and he would yield to me now that I was on it. There was no malicious anticipation of drama in my mind, I just lazily figured that because those are the rules, that is how it would go down. So as far as "everybody knowing it," read into that what you will. I've been forthright with how the entire situation went down to the best of my ability, including indicating that the mob was not there where I arrived.

The reason I brought it here was 1) he came off like an abrasive dick, 2) he tried to bully me off of what would rightfully be my camp, and 3) he claimed what he was killing constituted a single camp which was either an outright lie or, at best, greed fueled ignorance.

Now, also according to the consensus here, instead of sitting at the camp and assuming it was then mine because...the other was his, I should have talked it out. In hindsight, I agree 100% and I owe Fragmented an apology for my behavior. In the future I will make sure to address any camp concerns over contested mobs prior to just assuming "hey this is mine because that is yours." I mean this sincerely, and the next time I see Fragmented I will apologize.

[NegaStoat]

Originally Posted by hotkarlmarxbros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In hindsight, I agree 100% and I owe Fragmented an apology for my behavior. In the future I will make sure to address any camp concerns over contested mobs prior to just assuming "hey this is mine because that is yours." I mean this sincerely, and the next time I see Fragmented I will apologize.

The thread started off wonky but ended with the right ending. Good job. Now, if only Bvmmey could have confessed his sin and admitted that yes, the Book was up.

[kaizersoze]

You think the ice giant camp is bad, just look at the dickheads that will purposefully get in your way at Drusella. Knowing its camped. FDd right in your damn way of pulling. And wont just fuck off and do something else.

[Not_Mikeo]

Originally Posted by kaizersoze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You think the ice giant camp is bad, just look at the dickheads that will purposefully get in your way at Drusella. Knowing its camped. FDd right in your damn way of pulling. And wont just fuck off and do something else.

Lol at your anger spilling into other RnF threads. Maybe try ten hours of deep breathing exercises instead of 10 hours of fending off the DS camp from randos logging on to check if its camped.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by kaizersoze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You think the ice giant camp is bad, just look at the dickheads that will purposefully get in your way at Drusella. Knowing its camped. FDd right in your damn way of pulling. And wont just fuck off and do something else.

How does them FDing in a pull path affect you?