Enchanter is the best solo class

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't try telling me good players don't die a lot. Of course they do. If anything the best of them die more because they're the ones pushing the envelope.

I loved this, but really it doesn't just apply to Enchanters at all. The best players (IMHO) are the ones that try un-tested stuff ... and doing that (often) gets you killed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sometimes a lot ...

[enjchanter]

@loramin the problem with tot the shaman is that you can do that to any class who is just afk and it's just as helpful. The shaman part is a non-factor. Put bard with afk mana song and its arguably better

@ twochainz yeah most enchanters wont have mana issues unless they are soloing high level areas like SG or Emp chottal.

@Keza your first sentence nails it. Enchanters can solo anything with enough technique. Duoing is only worth it when you are being lazy / charitable / xp'ing maybe.

[NextToTheGods]

As with most things, the most optimal duo composition depends on the circumstances. I'd say 1/10 situations I will pick shm over cleric or druid, having the shm tank makes pet breaks ofteen quite trivial (pom puppets is a good example, or when the enchanter has a rogue pet). 1/10 I'll take a druid over cleric or shm, having the increased dps and safety of two pets + snare is great (double wolf charm duo in kael is a good example). For more or less everything else I'll take a cleric.

[Jibartik]

Wait so your strategy for shaman enchanter duo, is to have the shaman stand and eat all the damage instead of the charmed pet with 10k hp?

And healing the 2k HP player character with torp is more efficent than CHing the 10k hp pet?

And then how does this strategy make the pet not attack the enchanter when it breaks??

[NextToTheGods]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait so your strategy for shaman enchanter duo, is to have the shaman stand and eat all the damage instead of the charmed pet with 10k hp?

And healing the 2k HP player character with torp is more efficent than CHing the 10k hp pet?

And then how does this strategy make the pet not attack the enchanter when it breaks??

If we take pom puppets as an example, hell yes I will take the shm tanking rather than the pet. On a pet break I’ll be summoned by the puppet if there’s no one else in melee range. Having the shm tank also allows the pet to be only doing dmg from the back meaning no ripostes and no summoning on a break, etc. The only situations where I’ll pick a shm over clr is when the shm is torpor tanking.

Not sure what you mean by the pet not attacking the enchanter when it breaks. Of course it will even when the shm is tanking, however the enc only needs to handle the pet on a break as opposed to pet + mob.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by NextToTheGods [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If we take pom puppets as an example, hell yes I will take the shm tanking rather than the pet. On a pet break I’ll be summoned by the puppet if there’s no one else in melee range. Having the shm tank also allows the pet to be only doing dmg from the back meaning no ripostes and no summoning on a break, etc. The only situations where I’ll pick a shm over clr is when the shm is torpor tanking.

Not sure what you mean by the pet not attacking the enchanter when it breaks. Of course it will even when the shm is tanking, however the enc only needs to handle the pet on a break as opposed to pet + mob.

Fair enough! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Demoraliser]

Let's all read this carefully... I guess my point was not clear.

1. Enchanter is best solo class - Fact
2. Cleric offers more appropriate utility than Shm when duoing with Enchanter - Fact
3. Cleric is just there to meditate, CH when needed, Root/Stun - Fact

The cleric and or shm shouldn't be running around acting like a crazy person no scope 360 #420blazeit yolo beast mode. They're just there to support the #1 Class. Which is why Cleric > Shm for #1 duo with Enchanter classic - velious.

ToT works on cleric just fine since they have the two mana regen buffs from Enchanter + they're meditating 90% of the time.

[a_gnome_collector]

Originally Posted by Demoraliser [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enchanter is the strongest solo class classic, kunark & velious
Enchanter + Cleric is the strongest duo classic, kunark & velious

Enchanters on every corner sellin evercrack

"Strongest" how? In pve? If by "strong" you mean charming a monster to kill two monsters or best case soloing drusella... thats not that impressive. And its not like this is done with fine grained controls. Often chanters are in a panic.

Also, not like chanter is bringing their power to a raid. They are glorified buff bots.

Torp shaman's solo cliff guardians and +4 dragons. I believe these creatures also summon. I would also argue that they are a bit stronger than the hardest mobs an ench can reliably solo (without panic). Also raid mobs can be torpored more reliably than an ench can find a pet in certain situations. On a raid chants are most likely not mezzing or CC'ing anyway.

Once torp lands, shammy is just chillin.

I thus conclude Sham > Ench [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Demoraliser [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. Enchanter is best solo class - Fact
2. Cleric offers more appropriate utility than Shm when duoing with Enchanter - Fact
3. Cleric is just there to meditate, CH when needed, Root/Stun - Fact

I'm not trying to pick on Demoraliser at all, but rather on everyone who is dealing in absolutes here.

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This guy EverQuests:

Originally Posted by NextToTheGods [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As with most things, the most optimal duo composition depends on the circumstances. I'd say 1/10 situations I will pick shm over cleric or druid, having the shm tank makes pet breaks ofteen quite trivial (pom puppets is a good example, or when the enchanter has a rogue pet). 1/10 I'll take a druid over cleric or shm, having the increased dps and safety of two pets + snare is great (double wolf charm duo in kael is a good example). For more or less everything else I'll take a cleric.

Everyone saying "____ IS ALWAYS" ... you just want to win a forum argument. When it comes to stuff like "which is the strongest soloing class" or "who is the best duo partner" context matters.

You can still make absolutely true statements like "a cleric is usually the best duo partner", but please everyone stop saying "every", "always", and words like that, because they imply there's some grand universal truth about "the best". But when it comes to anything subjective in EverQuest, there is almost never just one answer that covers all circumstances.

Originally Posted by a_gnome_collector [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Torp shaman's solo cliff guardians and +4 dragons.

Hey man, the top Shaman solo +6 Dragons [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[kjs86z]

Originally Posted by a_gnome_collector [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Strongest" how? In pve? If by "strong" you mean charming a monster to kill two monsters or best case soloing drusella... thats not that impressive. And its not like this is done with fine grained controls. Often chanters are in a panic.

Also, not like chanter is bringing their power to a raid. They are glorified buff bots.

Torp shaman's solo cliff guardians and +4 dragons. I believe these creatures also summon. I would also argue that they are a bit stronger than the hardest mobs an ench can reliably solo (without panic). Also raid mobs can be torpored more reliably than an ench can find a pet in certain situations. On a raid chants are most likely not mezzing or CC'ing anyway.

Once torp lands, shammy is just chillin.

I thus conclude Sham > Ench [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ahem. I beg your pardon...but you're wrong about enchanters being nothing but buff bots. Additionally, I'd argue everything you said about enchanters being in "panic" is rather bullshit. If you get the named mob dead...who cares if it was hectic?

Enchanters can solo cliff golems. There may be a select few mobs that a torp shaman can do reliably and an enchanter cannot, but then there is the rest of the world for the enc to access freely.

If you competed for the big raid targets you'd have acknowledged the following:

- AoE Tash bombs on ToV boss + multiple guard engages to set up slowers. Its a thankless, kamikaze META out there in nToV.

- Tash + chanter slow before the shaman can land theirs can save lots of cleric mana. Obviously important on bosses, but also consider when killing trash / flurries while racing (leapfrogging) for FTEs.

- Goaltending / raid-saving mem blurs (mostly in ToV, but applicable elsewhere too in worst case scenarios).

- Charm pet dps (all of Fear, Kael, Dain....and sometimes ToV hatchlings for the bold / brave / stupid)

- Trading the important classes your raid clickies (mallets, root nets, etc) when they run out of charges.

- /ooc commentary (I prefer nostalgic / iconic song lyrics) while medding because you have nothing in your buff bot queue.


...did I just get trolled into posting this? Nothing against my shaman broskis, but this dude and his shitty post needed a refute.