Originally Posted by nilbog

[foxchris509]

I wish the high ZEM zones would rotate monthly or something. Custom content idea for blue!

[Croco]

Originally Posted by foxchris509 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wish the high ZEM zones would rotate monthly or something. Custom content idea for blue!

+1

[Jubal]

/guildwar = classic custom content

[Nirgon]

Let slate come to da tunnel

Increase his assist radius

Pras Lord Cazic Thule

[Darkfuneral]

Nilbog

[Ravage]

Kedge had the highest ZEM in EQ. Maybe almost 200 if I remember. Was hit by the nerf bat on P99 IRC because people couldn't play nice with the casual scum while power leveling at the zone in if i recall. Swordfishes n all.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Ravage [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kedge had the highest ZEM in EQ. Maybe almost 200 if I remember. Was hit by the nerf bat on P99 IRC because people couldn't play nice with the casual scum while power leveling at the zone in if i recall. Swordfishes n all.

A friend of mine played in the early days here, and he said Kedg exp was stupidly good ... like 3-4% per kill in the 40s good. That would fit a ZEM of 200, and that clearly doesn't seem classic.

But it seems like maybe there was an over-correction because of that, because as I said Kedge certainly didn't feel like even a ZEM 100 (140%), which is the wiki (presumably based on classic EQEmu data) shows.

Really, the frustrating part about this is ... why would I (or anyone) spend time trying to find evidence that it should have any particular ZEM, if Nilbog won't use it? I don't expect Nilbog to declare "the ZEM for every zone on P99 is _____", but if he could at least say
"I want classic ZEMs on Project 1999, and will consider evidence to make them more classic like I do with everything else", at least then there'd be a reason to.

I want to interpret:

Originally Posted by Nilbog

source?

that way, but maybe Nilbog still does want some unclassic ZEMs, and was just calling me out to see if I was complaining about some other ones? C'mon great beloved P99 dictator for life, please, give us those magic words: "Yes, I want classic ZEMs on Project 1999"! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Torik]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A friend of mine played in the early days here, and he said Kedg exp was stupidly good ... like 3-4% per kill in the 40s good. That would fit a ZEM of 200, and that clearly doesn't seem classic.

I used my 60 druid with sub-par gear to PL a cleric from 27 to 52. The total session time was 55 hours, including both the cleric and myself eating a few deaths each. I think level 45 and 51 took about 3 hours, with every other level taking significantly less. During this time, most people in the zone either came to kill Phinny or camp the Druid Epic piece. One time, an enc/cleric duo was killing mermaids, but other than that, the zone was empty.

A few months later, I tried to PL a rogue in Kedge and the exp modifier had been greatly reduced. I took him to Upper Guk, and not only was the exp better per kill, but the mobs also hit me much less and much softer than the mobs in Kedge. We then went to Lower Guk, and the exp per mob seemed to be about the same as Kedge. With the hard-hitting mobs and problems with casting in water, I wrote off Kedge as a place to PL people.

I later tried Kedge for regular exp around level 35 or 40 when a group of friends and I rolled alts. First, it was a pain getting everyone EB items. Secondly, splitting the first room was annoying because every fish agros, so it's a lot of zoning back and forth to pull the mobs to the ent, using either snare or calm. After we had the room split the Fierce Impaler spawned and kicked our asses, so someone had to log over to a main to take him out. When we got back-to-back spawns, we decided that we should just go to HHK, which was much better exp.

Kedge is a hard zone because of the difficulty pulling/splitting, casting in water, and also due to the strength of mobs for their level. These aspects made it so difficult for normal exp groups, but almost ideal for PLing. It was sad that it was always empty, because even with the best exp in the game, people didn't view the risk worth the reward. However, with the current[(?) I actually haven't checked it in over a year)] sub-par exp modifier, there is absolutely no reason to exp there anymore.

TL;DR: Kedge is dead.

[Dolalin]

They haven't even had a patch yet since I wrapped up the Classic ZEMs bug thread, maybe wait for that before you declare they aren't listening Loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Dolalin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They haven't even had a patch yet since I wrapped up the Classic ZEMs bug thread, maybe wait for that before you declare they aren't listening Loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please don't take this the wrong way, because I have immense respect for you, but ... you just rolled onto this scene. This is not "Loramin's crusade to insult the devs", this is just Loramin stating how it's been for over half a decade. Prior to your ZEM thread (from what, a month or two ago?), there was ZERO dev interest whatsoever in all things ZEM-related, and again it was "community knowledge" (since 2011!) that they were not interested.

Now to be fair, Nilbog never said "we're making ZEMS unclassic!" ... because Nilbog never says anything ... especially about ZEMS. I mean, even his post here was literally one word ... and it was a question! Literally no one but Nilbog knows what the word "classic" means to him, and whether ANY exception (ZEM or otherwise) qualifies. And he doesn't talk.

I've been a forum addict for five-plus years, plus at one point I went back through old dev posts to compile the Rulings page. I'm fairly confident that if there had been even a single word (even a "sources?") about this topic, I would have seen it ... but I didn't. If you see something (like Kedge's ZEM) stay unclassic on a classic project for that long, and the devs won't talk about it, the logical assumption is: they don't want to fix it (and that's even if I didn't have wiki and forum text going way way back that further supports the idea). And again, read old forum posts: I'm far from the only one to have believed this.

And if you go through those old posts you know what else you'll find? People didn't believe Green would ever exist (let alone Teal) ... and yet you will find me in giant one-sided RnF arguments with people (for years) saying "Blue is beta" with no one believing me.

So ... if I'm willing to argue with the entire rest of the forum community, because I took the dev's word and they didn't ... I really don't think it's fair to characterize me as someone who doesn't listen to, or doesn't believe the devs.

I just believe the proof is in the pudding. For a very long time everything the devs have said and done has at indicated a strong desire to keep the ZEM status quo. Now that the fire of Green and Teal in in Nilbog's belly I want to believe he's interested in classic evidence and classic ZEMs, because like all the other long-timers here I've drunk the classic kool-aid.

But I'm just not going to assume that my hopes and dreams have come true because Nilbog made a one word question post: I'm waiting for him to tell me off here, or (much better yet) answer your thread with a patch, and then I will absolutely believe. But look, four years ago there was more evidence that Green was coming, than there was just a few months back that Nilbog would even consider ZEM changes. Maybe forgive me for wanting to see something before I assume things have done a U-turn after five years?