Wizards! Do you regret it?

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If someone thinks it's rude when someone politely asks for something without offering a BJ in return, the person who thinks it's rude has got be one pretentious fucker.

I never said it had to be extravagant, although I definitely give buffs for BJs if you can fit my cock in your mouth, rather it's a simple matter of asking "Hello, may I please buy XXX buff from you?" instead of "Hello, can you give me XXX buff please?"

Even if you're nice about it, there is a level of disrespect if you don't offer something in return first. Unless you are on friendly terms of course. (roleplaying counts as "offering something" in my book as well -- you're providing entertainment)

[Atmas]

I love the two concurrent topics in this thread.

Wizards could use crits. They eventually added innate crits to the class. Harvest which restores around 10% of Wizard mana would also be pretty nice to have here.

Wizards really started to shine when AAs came into play.

[soup]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never said it had to be extravagant, although I definitely give buffs for BJs if you can fit my cock in your mouth, rather it's a simple matter of asking "Hello, may I please buy XXX buff from you?" instead of "Hello, can you give me XXX buff please?"

Even if you're nice about it, there is a level of disrespect if you don't offer something in return first. Unless you are on friendly terms of course. (roleplaying counts as "offering something" in my book as well -- you're providing entertainment)

There is a huge disparity in perspective here. You're talking about it like it's some piece of property being given, received, bought, sold, whatever. I'm looking at it as clicking on someone and pushing the "6" on my keyboard.

[Messianic]

I don't get the big problem. Zura's just relatively transparent in his communication - I don't see why it's such a big annoyance to everyone else that someone else has confidence in themselves - even if that confidence is misplaced or in a higher degree than you think.

It's just way too much effort to try to convince someone that they're not as good as they think they are - and i don't think Zura is even that bad about it, if at all. At least he's always open for discussion.

[Raavak]

Lesson learned. I guess I ignored what the wizards were doing on live in the Kunark era. Its still fun being a wizard, just lonely at times, and I'm not getting rich anytime soon either.

Skyfire AE groups are the exception.

[baalzy]

I remember on live people loving Wizards in groups because of their OMGWTFDPS. I think that's before people realized how to maximize their XP Per hour.

The same thing happened with blackmages in FFXI. In the beginning people loved them, as the game evolved and people got smart and realized you leveled faster by killing 10 mobs for 100 xp each then killing 3 mobs for 200 xp each in the same amount of time.

In FFXI blms just evolved and learned how to solo till they got to 60ish and then they formed burn groups and could xp in a pack just as fast/faster then the melees if they hunted the right mobs.

I guess the equivalent here would be AOE groups, which are sick (and lazy) xp if done right.

[Bodeanicus]

So, the guy's a dick. So what? Don't group with him, and don't buff him. Ever. His attitude will change real quick. End of problem.

[Skope]

It can be a pain in the ass getting tells for buffs, speaking as a shaman. When not /role I get tells in whichever zone I'm in, regardless of what camp i'm holding and where with people asking for buffages. It may not be a big deal when you're right next to a person or you're sitting there practically afk with nothing to do, but it's often when you're soloing or grouping and mana and clearing a camp is an issue. If it's just an SoW then sure, but sometimes it's the full shibang. I don't accept tips for buffs, but if you're taking me out of my groove just so i have to sit there for another 2-3 minutes while you get to solo my mobs with that regrowth that I just gave you then don't be surprised if i decline the tip and tell you to go away.

[ryandward]

Yes, I regret it. Mostly because they aren't set up the way they should be, under the guise of being "classic". There are some design flaws, but that is the way the devs think they should be, which is totally dumb to me.

Wizards *NEED* crits, and harvest. Give us those, I will be happy.

A very simple fix; although not classic or ever implemented, would be this:

Make it like warriors except with mana; when you are really low on mana you get a chance to land a crippling blow too.

[Galanteer]

yea I have had people come up to my camp, while i am in combat, and open a trade window with a few pp expecting me to buff them...not asking, nothing.

other times I have been trained by someone so desperate for their buff that the endangered or killed my group (again not asking, I would have said don't come)

I could come up with hundreds of examples of this, so yea I understand the attitude of reluctance to buff.

Now my 'credo' in game has been to depend on the group/guild I am with. I won't /ooc looking for xyz nor will I send a tell to a stranger asking for something.

This is not to say I don't appreciate random buffs, and also I will spend time and energy randomly buffing people when the mood stikes.

Personally, if I am in a group adventuring somewhere and random soandso sends me a tell asking for xyz, I just ignore it.

Back to the original topic -to me a good player of whatever class has room in a group, back in classic/live wizards often filled the important roll of evac/snare where dungeon groups needed 4 basic things -tank, healer, crowd control and snare. On this version the snare isn't required so wiz are even less needed.
A few wizards really shined back in classic, and would never hesitate to invite them to a group.