NEW Rules for Red PVP

[Babadook]

I think griefing should be allowed and if that means the raid guild needs 12 or whatever number of players to stop then then that's what they need.

Griefing is a form of PvP.

This is separate from exploiting. I can only agree with you when it comes to exploits when it is PvE, but any form of PvP should change those rules even if it involves the use of the environment and mobs.