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Old 08-03-2020, 11:43 AM
Widan Widan is offline
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Thank you for your input, but there are a plethora of reasons why many classes, and specifically wizards, rely on jboots. They're also a requirement to join a number of guilds, and invaluable as a junk buff on raids from right now through the eventual terminal content of this server that is Velious.

But if you'd like to pay for me to blow through an average of 1.5 sow pots per day after kunark hits and I need to solo to get any xp, go ahead and send me a PM and we can set that up.
I'm not sure I understand your point since you need clicky junk buffs that work indoors anyways for raiding? How do Jboots solve any raiding problems?

If you exp for 8 hours a day for 30 days that's barely equal to the cost of Jboots. And SoW pots are 20% faster (*Which means you level faster while quadding*). It's amazing 21 years later people still think Jboots are good. If you have the plat they most certainly are not.
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Old 08-03-2020, 11:52 AM
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I'm not sure I understand your point since you need clicky junk buffs that work indoors anyways for raiding? How do Jboots solve any raiding problems?

If you exp for 8 hours a day for 30 days that's barely equal to the cost of Jboots. And SoW pots are 20% faster. It's amazing 21 years later people still think Jboots are good. If you have the plat they most certainly are not.
Outdoor raids currently in game:
Plane of Hate
Plane of Fear

Outdoor raids to be added shortly:
Plane of Sky

Outdoor Raids to be added with Kunark:
Gorenaire
Talendor
Severilous
Faydedar
Venril Sathir

Outdoor raids in Velious:
Tunare
Kelorek`Dar
Wuoshi
Klandicar, Sontalak, and various other WW dragons.

I'm sure I missed a few.

Any other retorts?

It's amazing after 21 years that some people still haven't experienced over 50% of the content in this game but think they know everything.
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Old 08-03-2020, 12:04 PM
Widan Widan is offline
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Outdoor raids currently in game:
Plane of Hate
Plane of Fear

Outdoor raids to be added shortly:
Plane of Sky

Outdoor Raids to be added with Kunark:
Gorenaire
Talendor
Severilous
Faydedar
Venril Sathir

Outdoor raids in Velious:
Tunare
Kelorek`Dar
Wuoshi
Klandicar, Sontalak, and various other WW dragons.

I'm sure I missed a few.

Any other retorts?

It's amazing after 21 years that some people still haven't experienced over 50% of the content in this game but think they know everything.
And why can't you use the multiple indoor clickies you will be required to have for these outdoor raids as well?
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Old 08-03-2020, 12:12 PM
Widan Widan is offline
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Here let's do some wizard basic calculations. Let's say quadding from 50-60 in kunark is roughly 50% time gathering killing, and 50% time medding (it will prob take long to gather mobs with all the peeps leveling but for sake of argument).

Jboots give your char 135% speed
SoW pots 155% speed

SoW pots are 14.8% faster. Now if our time is split 50/50 like above that means you will level 7.4% faster using SoW pots while quadding (since speed doesn't matter while medding). Now time spent casting is not factored in yet so let's say it's 1/3 moving 2/3 not, you will still level 5% faster.

Ergo any wiz quad leveling in kunark with jboots will be leveling slower than those with SoW pots. (SoW pots also get slightly faster as you level to 60 so these numbers will be marginally higher)
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Old 08-03-2020, 12:39 PM
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Here let's do some wizard basic calculations. Let's say quadding from 50-60 in kunark is roughly 50% time gathering killing, and 50% time medding (it will prob take long to gather mobs with all the peeps leveling but for sake of argument).
It's not 50/50, not even close, so "let's not say" that. Medding is the vast majority of your total time spent, if quadding without clarity.

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SoW pots are 14.8% faster. Now if our time is split 50/50 like above that means you will level 7.4% faster using SoW pots while quadding (since speed doesn't matter while medding). Now time spent casting is not factored in yet so let's say it's 1/3 moving 2/3 not, you will still level 5% faster.
Since we've already debunked your completely arbitrary 50/50 theory, all of the above is completely immaterial. Moving on...

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(SoW pots also get slightly faster as you level to 60 so these numbers will be marginally higher)
Jboots also scale increased movement speed as the user levels.

Everything you said here is unfounded, and you're grasping at straws because I destroyed your made-up argument. Please go away, you're embarrassing yourself.
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Old 08-03-2020, 12:49 PM
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It's not 50/50, not even close, so "let's not say" that. Medding is the vast majority of your total time spent, if quadding without clarity.


Since we've already debunked your completely arbitrary 50/50 theory, all of the above is completely immaterial. Moving on...



Jboots also scale increased movement speed as the user levels.

Everything you said here is unfounded, and you're grasping at straws because I destroyed your made-up argument. Please go away, you're embarrassing yourself.
You haven't refuted anything. If any time is spent moving at all SoW pots will level you more efficiently. Make up whatever% you like. If it's > 0 SoW pots are better. I think my argument was fairly clear. If you don't want to level as fast as possible just say so.

And also why are you unable to use your indoor clickies outdoors thus forcing you to also get outdoor only clickies?

And JBoots shouldn't scale past 35 so wrong again there

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Old 08-03-2020, 01:00 PM
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You haven't refuted anything. If any time is spent moving at all SoW pots will level you more efficiently. Make up whatever% you like. If it's > 0 SoW pots are better. I think my argument was fairly clear. If you don't want to level as fast as possible just say so.

And also why are you unable to use your indoor clickies outdoors thus forcing you to also get outdoor only clickies?
You're a troll, and you're muddying the waters of an argument because you lost. I refuted your ridiculous claim that a wizard spends an equal amount of time medding versus killing, and every point you made thereafter was based on that false premise.

Also, if your SoW fades while you're quadding 4 mobs in a tight circle on a 30x30 space and you don't have jboots, good luck refreshing that potion with a 4.0 second cast time. Raptors in TD anyone? You'd be done... just like this argument. See ya.
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Old 08-03-2020, 09:29 PM
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Here let's do some wizard basic calculations. Let's say quadding from 50-60 in kunark is roughly 50% time gathering killing, and 50% time medding (it will prob take long to gather mobs with all the peeps leveling but for sake of argument).

Jboots give your char 135% speed
SoW pots 155% speed

SoW pots are 14.8% faster. Now if our time is split 50/50 like above that means you will level 7.4% faster using SoW pots while quadding (since speed doesn't matter while medding). Now time spent casting is not factored in yet so let's say it's 1/3 moving 2/3 not, you will still level 5% faster.

Ergo any wiz quad leveling in kunark with jboots will be leveling slower than those with SoW pots. (SoW pots also get slightly faster as you level to 60 so these numbers will be marginally higher)
It's hugely inefficient though. Essentially half of every SOW pot will be wasted while messing - ie gather mobs, kills mobs, sit and med - and your pot will still have 10+ minutes running on it
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Old 08-03-2020, 09:48 PM
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I can see from browsing the version history on the AC list spreadsheet tonight that someone has been deleting it and spamming gibberish/ascii dicks and stuff on it...

While I do take a slight pleasure in seeing it, as it proves my point that the list can be fucked with by any random clown, this is not my handiwork. Immaturity and mayhem is not my goal.

/shrug
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Old 08-03-2020, 10:11 PM
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I can see from browsing the version history on the AC list spreadsheet tonight that someone has been deleting it and spamming gibberish/ascii dicks and stuff on it...

While I do take a slight pleasure in seeing it, as it proves my point that the list can be fucked with by any random clown, this is not my handiwork. Immaturity and mayhem is not my goal.

/shrug
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