Is the UN a way to reduce GM workload or a GM enforced Mafia? [Green]

[the_finn]

salren, you are correct. That's how Green works. lol, welcome to the party

[the_finn]

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CORRECTION

Question was: However, guild D is not part or party to any of the agreements between A, B, and C. So there is no agreement here for a GM to enforce.

Answer is:
The GMs are in guild A, so if guild D does not comply, the GMs and the large guilds will just bully them out of the game. Get them banned from locations, do GM petitions against them (that the GM who is in A is literally the judge on). It's a pretty neat system.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by the_finn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait!

CORRECTION

Question was: However, guild D is not part or party to any of the agreements between A, B, and C. So there is no agreement here for a GM to enforce.

Answer is:
The GMs are in guild A, so if guild D does not comply, the GMs and the large guilds will just bully them out of the game. Get them banned from locations, do GM petitions against them (that the GM who is in A is literally the judge on). It's a pretty neat system.

I believe the actual GMs aren’t allowed to play on P99

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by salren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am unbiased as I don't play on green, but I am curious about this general question.

My understanding was that GMs enforce player-made agreements. So, if guilds A, B, and C (the UN) made an agreement to do a Sky rotation, and then guild B showed up during guild A's slot, a GM would enforce the player-made agreement between these guilds.

However, guild D is not part or party to any of the agreements between A, B, and C. So there is no agreement here for a GM to enforce.

Yes? No?

Theoretically but the guild in question, Lineage, has not been in any way prepared to go toe-to-toe with ST or Fed on this content so it doesn't really matter. And this is why guild stay in the UN, they'd prefer to get some slots in sky than to end up on the outside looking in like Lineage.

If a guild that had the power and determination to actually snipe significant content were to buck the UN and go rogue that would be interesting. But that's not where we are and isn't about to change. Kunark will see a bigger shakeup in how these guilds all interact on the whole, since it will all be contested long window repop targets, rather than the current classic planar trash clears which everyone is motivated to rotate and share.

Another issue though is what was seen both in Fear early on and in Sky recently with Lineage trying to force their way in, it just became a DPS race on stupid trash mobs at their spawn point while expecting GM's to study each mob's identifier and look at the server log to verify who got the FTE. Which is absurd to expect of them. I assume that's related to Galach's quote about letting him know for any issues, the issues would be KS'ing each other on sky trash.

[salren]

Okay, sure. That makes a lot of sense.

[the_finn]

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Theoretically but the guild in question, Lineage, has not been in any way prepared to go toe-to-toe with ST or Fed on this content so it doesn't really matter. And this is why guild stay in the UN, they'd prefer to get some slots in sky than to end up on the outside looking in like Lineage.

If a guild that had the power and determination to actually snipe significant content were to buck the UN and go rogue that would be interesting. But that's not where we are and isn't about to change. Kunark will see a bigger shakeup in how these guilds all interact on the whole, since it will all be contested long window repop targets, rather than the current classic planar trash clears which everyone is motivated to rotate and share.

Another issue though is what was seen both in Fear early on and in Sky recently with Lineage trying to force their way in, it just became a DPS race on stupid trash mobs at their spawn point while expecting GM's to study each mob's identifier and look at the server log to verify who got the FTE. Which is absurd to expect of them. I assume that's related to Galach's quote about letting him know for any issues, the issues would be KS'ing each other on sky trash.

Your getting close man, but you still can't see the underlying issue. You said:
Theoretically but the guild...has not been in any way prepared to go toe-to-toe...so it doesn't really matter.
So you are literally saying this is actually run in that way, and since it has not actually been challenged yet it doesn't really matter.

Your closing statement of:
...expecting GM's to study each mob's identifier and look at the server log to verify who got the FTE. Which is absurd to expect of them.
I fully agree with you. Pretty sure guild D did not file a single petition as they did not expect the GMs to do the studying, however, the A, B, C guilds (the ones that agreed with each other when they can go where) feel entitled to the zone and therefore did file petitions. So, yeah, "Which is absurd to expect of them."

[Arvan]

Everquest isnt a difficult or skill based game but to answer the question yeah the un is both a thing to reduce gms headaches and also a mafia

[Tethler]

Blue has a GM enforced sky rotation. The UN on green is pushing for a similar thing.

Lineage didn't want to come to the table to negotiate in good faith,　Maibbin　said　he　wanted　to　"eat　the　table"　( whatever　that　means, lol).　Even　through　all　of　his　shenanigans, there is still a spot for Lineage in the proposed rotation that is currently being discussed. Your just no longer have much standing to make demands or requests since everyone is pissed.

Ya'll wanted to go rogue and step on the toes of every raiding guild on the server, this is the result. You'll get your time in sky carved out, which is more than you probably deserve at this point.

[Lostfaction]

Everquest is a game of diplomacy. Losers lose.

[AgentEpilot]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe the actual GMs aren’t allowed to play on P99

Just not the server they GM for.