Does Green economy seem odd?

[TripSin]

That's because the hole is where everyone is. Because there are limited good spots to camp. It's very limited resources up for a lot of contention.

There's a reason mmorpg's aren't like classic EQ anymore - because a lot of EQ is just objectively bad game design.

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Originally Posted by TripSin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's because the hole is where everyone is. Because there are limited good spots to camp. It's very limited resources up for a lot of contention.

There's a reason mmorpg's aren't like classic EQ anymore - because a lot of EQ is just objectively bad game design.

Which goes to the argument of adjusting the ZEMs on Green, if only to spread the population out more.

90+% of everyone level 50+ XPing exclusively in The Hole is certainly not "classic feeling" at all.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Vizax_Xaziv [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which goes to the argument of adjusting the ZEMs on Green, if only to spread the population out more.

90+% of everyone level 50+ XPing exclusively in The Hole is certainly not "classic feeling" at all.

City of Mist has like zilch for pickup groups. On Blue there were pugs in CoM pretty much right up until Velious dropped (i.e. for years). Green player base is a bit odd (and I don't mean that in a good way).

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

City of Mist has like zilch for pickup groups. On Blue there were pugs in CoM pretty much right up until Velious dropped (i.e. for years). Green player base is a bit odd (and I don't mean that in a good way).

There are STILL PuG's in CoM on blue, daily. Its the go to spot for pick up xp in the 40's.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by TripSin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's because the hole is where everyone is. Because there are limited good spots to camp. It's very limited resources up for a lot of contention.

There's a reason mmorpg's aren't like classic EQ anymore - because a lot of EQ is just objectively bad game design.

I mean the hole isn’t necessarily that much better as a camp situation than other places. It just has a high ZEM on P99. There are plenty of decent spots to camp across old world and Kunark. As far as EXP content goes there is tons. P99 just has the hole as a high ZEM; and I’m not complaining about that because I liked how they kind of switched up some ZEMs. But don’t conflate high ZEM in a zone attracting lots of players with meaning there is limited content for those players to XP on elsewhere because there’s not

[Cen]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But don’t conflate high ZEM in a zone attracting lots of players with meaning there is limited content for those players to XP on elsewhere because there’s not

I don't think anyone would disagree with this one sentence nor has anyone really. However, to avoid either you or I accusing each other past this point of making any slippery slope type arguments, I do have one setup here to re-paint the picture everyone is trying to paint here.

Imagine if they cut the ZEM of a zone down to giving something horrific, like 30% experience. (They haven't cut anything this badly, but there are some nasty cuts overall). Would you consider it rational to level in that zone primarily for experience gain? I wouldn't.

If we bring the number to a more realistic number like 90% normal experience vs 110% normal experience, is it so unusual for everyone to flock to the good stuff and write the 90% off completely as dead to them?

I don't think it's THAT crazy ;D

But our situation is one that's somewhere in between those two.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Cen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think anyone would disagree with this one sentence nor has anyone really. However, to avoid either you or I accusing each other past this point of making any slippery slope type arguments, I do have one setup here to re-paint the picture everyone is trying to paint here.

Imagine if they cut the ZEM of a zone down to giving something horrific, like 30% experience. (They haven't cut anything this badly, but there are some nasty cuts overall). Would you consider it rational to level in that zone primarily for experience gain? I wouldn't.

If we bring the number to a more realistic number like 90% normal experience vs 110% normal experience, is it so unusual for everyone to flock to the good stuff and write the 90% off completely as dead to them?

I don't think it's THAT crazy ;D

But our situation is one that's somewhere in between those two.

Right but that’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that everyone being in the hole for the reason you articulated above doesn’t mean the EQ was bad game design or had limited content. Everyone is in the hole because the ZEM has been set to the level it’s at not because there aren’t other places you could XP

[DMN]

The economy has semi-artificial bottlenecking going on, specifically related to soulbound keys. Loot that would generally be distributed more equally among the player base is instead heavily loaded into certain players from certain guilds. Many of these guilds/players also have access to bullshit EC mules that are separate accounts. Instead of most legit players who do not cheat, there is zero opportunity cost for these mules to sit in EC until they get the price they want. They can sit there forever and it costs them nothing. So the non cheaters get screwed over double on this server, having to compete with cheaters using multiple accounts and now having to buy certain items from them as well.

If you were sitting there selling a piece for 1k plat for 5 hours, you might just start asking for 900 or or even less. But these guys don't care. They ruin the economy and make it unclassic too.

Sadly the only realistic way to fix it is what I suggested long ago, that they allow people to have a mule account that was 100% for EC. Couldn't go above level 5 and purely has to be used as an EC mule. Of course the mouthbreathers of p99 hated it, especially since so many of them are the aforementioned cheaters who benefit so much from this broken system. I also warned about the SB keys creating a fucked up economy and at a minimum suggested that HS be soulbound because it became soulbound very soon after release. It still not soulbound and it should have been for a long time already.

[Scalem]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The economy has semi-artificial bottlenecking going on, specifically related to soulbound keys. Loot that would generally be distributed more equally among the player base is instead heavily loaded into certain players from certain guilds. Many of these guilds/players also have access to bullshit EC mules that are separate accounts. Instead of most legit players who do not cheat, there is zero opportunity cost for these mules to sit in EC until they get the price they want. They can sit there forever and it costs them nothing. So the non cheaters get screwed over double on this server, having to compete with cheaters using multiple accounts and now having to buy certain items from them as well.

If you were sitting there selling a piece for 1k plat for 5 hours, you might just start asking for 900 or or even less. But these guys don't care. They ruin the economy and make it unclassic too.

Sadly the only realistic way to fix it is what I suggested long ago, that they allow people to have a mule account that was 100% for EC. Couldn't go above level 5 and purely has to be used as an EC mule. Of course the mouthbreathers of p99 hated it, especially since so many of them are the aforementioned cheaters who benefit so much from this broken system. I also warned about the SB keys creating a fucked up economy and at a minimum suggested that HS be soulbound because it became soulbound very soon after release. It still not soulbound and it should have been for a long time already.

Keys are now bound on Green. But I agree with your point about having a 100% EC account. I hate spending time in EC trying to sell things and think it’s one of the worst aspects of the game. There is no downside to allowing people to box an EC mule that can never leave the zone or do anything but trade. It doesn’t remove player to player interactions like the bazaar did. I guess it allows you to perma farm a camp and just have someone run the items to your mule to sell while you farm. But let’s be real that already happens on p99.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Scalem [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Keys are now bound on Green. But I agree with your point about having a 100% EC account. I hate spending time in EC trying to sell things and think it’s one of the worst aspects of the game. There is no downside to allowing people to box an EC mule that can never leave the zone or do anything but trade. It doesn’t remove player to player interactions like the bazaar did. I guess it allows you to perma farm a camp and just have someone run the items to your mule to sell while you farm. But let’s be real that already happens on p99.

creeping boxerism is bad, mkay?