Riot kites then kills KT. Surprised no free Vulak after wiping on free attempt.

[tacomagradd]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do you call the strategy when <Riot> kites KT back to the throne room, refuses to drop it, and kills it anyway? Where's the concession?

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Deflection?

[wrighter00]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do you call the strategy when <Riot> kites KT back to the throne room, refuses to drop it, and kills it anyway? Where's the concession?

I would call it the same thing as Furor "racing" for a "win" on Sev only to drag it to the opposite side of the zone from any kind of kill spot and then dog legging it all the way along the zone wall down to TT. Particularly after calling that it was going to the Wiz portal first.

So we've established that there is no good faith, any attempt at a rule set, and that we'll be endlessly arguing to make it seem like folly play is normal. Gone are the days of true concessions? OFC, it's a free for all because no one expects the other guild to stop. From some perspective, Furor showed he isn't a great puller. Does he still get bragging rights? Does Klaz? Do we think this might be why a PVE server has been designed to be Mario kart instead?

DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO OFF TANK VULAK'S GUARDS OR EVEN MANAGE THEIR TRAINS!!?? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by tacomagradd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Q3 As Vanq reads it:

Q3: If we feel our own guild/party has violated a rule, what actions should we take?
A: If you screw up, then you should concede the mob you screwed up on deny guilt, and if your competitors engage before you, claim you gave them a "free" attempt that absolves you of all guilt.

Not a bad strategy. It may work, but the petition is coming. Maybe just a PNP violation for Klaz. Who knows?

Grats on the Hobarts!

what rule is this exactly?

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by Posiden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You keep saying, "you got a free attempt" while ignoring the obvious. There would have been a free attempt regardless. You wiped. Once you wiped a free attempt was guaranteed. You pretending that you did some favor, or made some concession is pretty disingenuous at best. That'd be kind of like stealing $5 from someone, getting caught, then you giving the $5 back and claiming that was your punishment.

vanquish get a rush attempt in, wipe

riot/kittens get an unharrassed attempt, wipe

vanquish kill the mob

seems fair?

[titanshub]

Damn, you know you screwed up when you train someone so blatantly that the first thing you do is run to RNF to make a post about it.

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by titanshub [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Damn, you know you screwed up when you train someone so blatantly that the first thing you do is run to RNF to make a post about it.

oh please dude

this shit has been so in your head all day that you made some pathetic post in the un saying that the guy *intentionally* trained your raid

do you guys deny that you had a free shot at vulak?

do you think the outcome would have been different if this train ever happened, if yes, how so?

this mellow dramatic bull shit is so emblematic of how dumb the raid scene is

if you actually care you would be asking gms for coherent rules in this horrible era of tov

[Gatordash]

Love to see the Kittens GL getting in the mud on RnF and in the UN. Thought it was just that jutebox guy from kittens slinging it.

[titanshub]

Originally Posted by Hotel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

oh please dude

this shit has been so in your head all day that you made some pathetic post in the un saying that the guy *intentionally* trained your raid

do you guys deny that you had a free shot at vulak?

do you think the outcome would have been different if this train ever happened, if yes, how so?

this mellow dramatic bull shit is so emblematic of how dumb the raid scene is

if you actually care you would be asking gms for coherent rules in this horrible era of tov

I think what is wrong with the raid scene is exemplified perfectly in this RNF post. There has been so little accountability for bad behavior that the first thing you do is come here to gloat and laugh about it because you believe that you can get away with it.

All the other details are irrelevant. Watch the video. Its clear what happened and why.

I can't help the fact that wiping under Vulak takes more time to recover from than wiping at doubles and you lost the race to the next engage even though you trained us and almost all our officers and leaders were distracted trying to identify what happened, negotiate with Vanquish, and upload their fraps instead of running a raid.

Nobody from Vanq offered a free attempt at Vulak this is a lie as best as I can tell. It was never brought up and everyone at the raid was under the impression we were racing for the second engage. It is hilarious that Valick waited until we rushed into our engage and wiped before casually mentioning that you were resuming. It's very on the nose.

Maybe a few more jokes about us wiping to Vulak will make you feel better about it?It's hard to say.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by titanshub [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Watch the video. Its clear what happened and why.

Maybe if you're trying to see what Arcler is telling you to see, but I've watched all three angles, and I fail to see any evidence of who the mobs were on besides Hoyi or an enchanter in <Riot>.

Yeah, Klaz is casting in the video, but as far as I'm aware, it's not against the rules for Klaz to cast spells in ToV.

They're not the target on assist; they're not the first to die.

I'd love to see any actual evidence before you start accusing people of wrong doing, but like I said, it's not against the rules for Klaz to cast spells in ToV. As far as I can tell, members of your raid pulled the drakes over the lip of the ramp, and they started killing people, including Klaz.

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by titanshub [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think what is wrong with the raid scene is exemplified perfectly in this RNF post. There has been so little accountability for bad behavior that the first thing you do is come here to gloat and laugh about it because you believe that you can get away with it.

All the other details are irrelevant. Watch the video. Its clear what happened and why.

I can't help the fact that wiping under Vulak takes more time to recover from than wiping at doubles and you lost the race to the next engage even though you trained us and almost all our officers and leaders were distracted trying to identify what happened, negotiate with Vanquish, and upload their fraps instead of running a raid.

Nobody from Vanq offered a free attempt at Vulak this is a lie as best as I can tell. It was never brought up and everyone at the raid was under the impression we were racing for the second engage. It is hilarious that Valick waited until we rushed into our engage and wiped before casually mentioning that you were resuming. It's very on the nose.

Maybe a few more jokes about us wiping to Vulak will make you feel better about it?It's hard to say.

actually the first thing i did was correct op's narrative to make it more in line with reality

the narrative is all in your head dude

you live in the drama of your own perception of people you have no understanding of