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Old 06-24-2021, 10:49 AM
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This has gone on entirely too long.

It's super simple. Hypothetically speaking, even if the train was Klaz's fault... it wasn't Kittens/Riots attempt. Riot/Kittens had what, 20-30 mins to recover? And they got the next shot.

Nobody told Riot/Kittens they had to go when they did.
Nobody rushed them.
Nobody trained them.
They setup for, and made their engage 100% on their own timing and strategy.

And they got destroyed.

All of this "lose on the field but win in court afterwards" bullshit is pathetic. It's an embarrassment. If you want to be a fucking winner - either in game or out of it - learn to win on the field.
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Old 06-24-2021, 11:13 AM
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This has gone on entirely too long.

It's super simple. Hypothetically speaking, even if the train was Klaz's fault... it wasn't Kittens/Riots attempt. Riot/Kittens had what, 20-30 mins to recover? And they got the next shot.

Nobody told Riot/Kittens they had to go when they did.
Nobody rushed them.
Nobody trained them.
They setup for, and made their engage 100% on their own timing and strategy.

And they got destroyed.

All of this "lose on the field but win in court afterwards" bullshit is pathetic. It's an embarrassment. If you want to be a fucking winner - either in game or out of it - learn to win on the field.
Imagine if other guilds trained you right before an engage. Its not about the timing, the attempt or for whatever reason. Its about the rules that everyone has followed. We uphold these rules to define how we raid. Your cool with this? Just imagine if roles would be reversed which very much could be.
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Old 06-24-2021, 11:15 AM
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Imagine if other guilds trained you right before an engage. Its not about the timing, the attempt or for whatever reason. Its about the rules that everyone has followed. We uphold these rules to define how we raid. Your cool with this? Just imagine if roles would be reversed which very much could be.
this exact thing happened where another guild trained another guild preparing for a vulak engage, and we actually had fraps with an /assist of a riot member bringing it in

you know what the ruling was

take a wild fucking guess
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Old 06-24-2021, 11:30 AM
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Imagine if other guilds trained you right before an engage. Its not about the timing, the attempt or for whatever reason. Its about the rules that everyone has followed. We uphold these rules to define how we raid. Your cool with this? Just imagine if roles would be reversed which very much could be.
You know what Vanq raid leaders say when a train happens and we don't know what happened/what we can prove? They say "stop worrying about who caused it. recover. keep your head in the fight and lets win this."

If Vanq hadn't wiped, Riot/Kittens did, and Vanq got the first two attempts... then yah. Totally different story. But that's not what happened. R/K had plenty of time. They engaged on their own terms.

Riot/Kittens seem more interested in playing the victim, and trying to win in discord. And this game just isn't won in discord. Not now, not ever. If your leadership thinks this is how the game is played, then your membership should revolt and find leadership who wants to win in game.
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Old 06-24-2021, 11:37 AM
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You know what Vanq raid leaders say when a train happens and we don't know what happened/what we can prove? They say "stop worrying about who caused it. recover. keep your head in the fight and lets win this."

If Vanq hadn't wiped, Riot/Kittens did, and Vanq got the first two attempts... then yah. Totally different story. But that's not what happened. R/K had plenty of time. They engaged on their own terms.

Riot/Kittens seem more interested in playing the victim, and trying to win in discord. And this game just isn't won in discord. Not now, not ever. If your leadership thinks this is how the game is played, then your membership should revolt and find leadership who wants to win in game.
You know what Kittens raid leaders say when a train happens and we don't know what happened/what we can prove? They say "stop worrying about who caused it. recover. keep your head in the fight and lets win this."

Cant vouch for other guilds, kittens always will concede upon an unintentional train caused by them.
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Old 06-24-2021, 12:14 PM
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You know what Kittens raid leaders say when a train happens and we don't know what happened/what we can prove? They say "stop worrying about who caused it. recover. keep your head in the fight and lets win this."
R/K engaged on their own terms.

They lost the encounter.

Take the L, pussy
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Old 06-24-2021, 12:21 PM
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R/K engaged on their own terms.

They lost the encounter.

Take the L, pussy
You all can't even take a W with good grace, why should anyone listen to anything you say?

Don't train me bro.
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Old 06-24-2021, 11:38 AM
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You know what Vanq raid leaders say when a train happens and we don't know what happened/what we can prove? They say "stop worrying about who caused it. recover. keep your head in the fight and lets win this."

If Vanq hadn't wiped, Riot/Kittens did, and Vanq got the first two attempts... then yah. Totally different story. But that's not what happened. R/K had plenty of time. They engaged on their own terms.

Riot/Kittens seem more interested in playing the victim, and trying to win in discord. And this game just isn't won in discord. Not now, not ever. If your leadership thinks this is how the game is played, then your membership should revolt and find leadership who wants to win in game.
Stop gaslighting.
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Old 06-24-2021, 11:26 AM
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This has gone on entirely too long.

It's super simple. Hypothetically speaking, even if the train was Klaz's fault... it wasn't Kittens/Riots attempt. Riot/Kittens had what, 20-30 mins to recover? And they got the next shot.

Nobody told Riot/Kittens they had to go when they did.
Nobody rushed them.
Nobody trained them.
They setup for, and made their engage 100% on their own timing and strategy.

And they got destroyed.

All of this "lose on the field but win in court afterwards" bullshit is pathetic. It's an embarrassment. If you want to be a fucking winner - either in game or out of it - learn to win on the field.

When they train others during their engage: “yall we’re on the tracks!”

When they train themselves during our engage: “delayed is the same as disrupted!”
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Old 06-24-2021, 11:53 AM
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All of this "lose on the field but win in court afterwards" bullshit is pathetic. It's an embarrassment. If you want to be a fucking winner - either in game or out of it - learn to win on the field.
Remember when Fr/Ag got like 5 people killed on dagarn ledge then everyone stopped to make sure you guys had enough time to rez before we continued competing, then you guys had the very next attempt on kreizenn and killed the dragon, then you petitioned anyways?

Win on the field then petition after the fact as well, The Quish Way.
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