It's official: Riot is done.

[Wokka]

There's toxic people in all guilds, you're all just obsessed with pushing the narrative that only one guild has them. Watching you all bicker and whine with each other in RnF just proves that point.

Let's be honest, without bag limits Riot would be getting very few mobs. In a competitive scenario they get beaten 9 times out of every 10. Without Kittens next to them every ToV cycle they would struggle for the numbers for some mobs, they aren't the massive zerg they once were. Bag limits came in at just the right time to "save" them, so to speak.

Members of nearly all the guilds have been caught doing shady shit, from dispelling slowed raid mobs, training, lull pulling, casting fake buffs, opening trade windows, the list goes on. But that doesn't fit the narrative of "it's all Vanquish!, those cunts!". The hypocrisy is real.

[supercalif]

Originally Posted by Wokka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's toxic people in all guilds, you're all just obsessed with pushing the narrative that only one guild has them. Watching you all bicker and whine with each other in RnF just proves that point.

Let's be honest, without bag limits Riot would be getting very few mobs. In a competitive scenario they get beaten 9 times out of every 10. Without Kittens next to them every ToV cycle they would struggle for the numbers for some mobs, they aren't the massive zerg they once were. Bag limits came in at just the right time to "save" them, so to speak.

Members of nearly all the guilds have been caught doing shady shit, from dispelling slowed raid mobs, training, lull pulling, casting fake buffs, opening trade windows, the list goes on. But that doesn't fit the narrative of "it's all Vanquish!, those cunts!". The hypocrisy is real.

Well said

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Wokka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's toxic people in all guilds, you're all just obsessed with pushing the narrative that only one guild has them. Watching you all bicker and whine with each other in RnF just proves that point.

While the first point is true to an extent, you aren't accounting for the behavior that is extreme. Whether condoned or encouraged, there are differences in offenses between all guilds, from the top down. It isn't perfectly even. It isn't 50/50 with the good and bad there to cancel each other put on both sides.

Similarly, not everyone is bickering and whining in these threads, or even creating these threads to begin with. It's easy to see who are the instigators. That's the point of RNF though. If you think a guild is supposed to abstain from RNF to prove they aren't part of the problem, you may as well expect them to avoid raid zones or leave the server too.

[ArbiterBlixen]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While the first point is true to an extent, you aren't accounting for the behavior that is extreme. Whether condoned or encouraged, there are differences in offenses between all guilds, from the top down. It isn't perfectly even. It isn't 50/50 with the good and bad there to cancel each other put on both sides.

Similarly, not everyone is bickering and whining in these threads, or even creating these threads to begin with. It's easy to see who are the instigators. That's the point of RNF though. If you think a guild is supposed to abstain from RNF to prove they aren't part of the problem, you may as well expect them to avoid raid zones or leave the server too.

/agree, you're so much better when you don't respond in the form of a youtube link

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by ArbiterBlixen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

/agree, you're so much better when you don't respond in the form of a youtube link

You're so much better when you don't respond.

[Ennewi]

Sorry, I meant to say...

[Croco]

Originally Posted by Wokka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's toxic people in all guilds, you're all just obsessed with pushing the narrative that only one guild has them. Watching you all bicker and whine with each other in RnF just proves that point.

Let's be honest, without bag limits Riot would be getting very few mobs. In a competitive scenario they get beaten 9 times out of every 10. Without Kittens next to them every ToV cycle they would struggle for the numbers for some mobs, they aren't the massive zerg they once were. Bag limits came in at just the right time to "save" them, so to speak.

Members of nearly all the guilds have been caught doing shady shit, from dispelling slowed raid mobs, training, lull pulling, casting fake buffs, opening trade windows, the list goes on. But that doesn't fit the narrative of "it's all Vanquish!, those cunts!". The hypocrisy is real.

More gaslighting. More parroting mistruths. More comparing things that are in no way comparable. Everyone in Riot who was breaking rules was punished or guild removed, VQ can't say the same. Without the AG muscle Freedom killed nothing of note. If AG had refused to raid with Freedom that guild would've died an unnoteworthy death.

There's toxicity then there's the fact that of all guilds on the server there's one that's disliked above all the rest by virtually every other raiding guild. There's one guild where all the worst people on the server have flocked to when other guilds kick them. You have a guild leader who has lied to staff and is proved to have 2 boxed when supposedly 2 boxing is worthy of a permaban.

You keep trying to draw equivalencies to make it seem like both guilds are the same and do the same sorts of bad things but per usual that's an absolute joke. VQ revels in their degeneracy and rule breaking. Doing things like jokingly offering a dkp bonus for training Riot. This is simply not something you would ever see happen in Riot discord, guildchat, or voice. Your guild is rotten to the core from the head down.

[remen]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

More gaslighting. More parroting mistruths. More comparing things that are in no way comparable. Everyone in Riot who was breaking rules was punished or guild removed, VQ can't say the same. Without the AG muscle Freedom killed nothing of note. If AG had refused to raid with Freedom that guild would've died an unnoteworthy death.

There's toxicity then there's the fact that of all guilds on the server there's one that's disliked above all the rest by virtually every other raiding guild. There's one guild where all the worst people on the server have flocked to when other guilds kick them. You have a guild leader who has lied to staff and is proved to have 2 boxed when supposedly 2 boxing is worthy of a permaban.

You keep trying to draw equivalencies to make it seem like both guilds are the same and do the same sorts of bad things but per usual that's an absolute joke. VQ revels in their degeneracy and rule breaking. Doing things like jokingly offering a dkp bonus for training Riot. This is simply not something you would ever see happen in Riot discord, guildchat, or voice. Your guild is rotten to the core from the head down.

But how do you really feel?

Vanq feelin good living rent free in your head =P