shaman chest piece question

[ArbiterBlixen]

You are way overestimating the added survivability you get with a vindi BP. Sure in the rare case where you're reaching sub 100hp I guess it technically saved you. Every other fight Fungi is worth 1300ish hp in a 10minute fight, Vindi BP is not worth 1300hp in a 10 minute fight. And btw, you keep comparing Fungi to torpor, when the comparison should be Fungi vs. Vindi bp.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by ArbiterBlixen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are way overestimating the added survivability you get with a vindi BP. Sure in the rare case where you're reaching sub 100hp I guess it technically saved you. Every other fight Fungi is worth 1300ish hp in a 10minute fight, Vindi BP is not worth 1300hp in a 10 minute fight. And btw, you keep comparing Fungi to torpor, when the comparison should be Fungi vs. Vindi bp.

You are misunderstanding my points, and the math in general.

When you are not fighting, Fungi Tunic saves you 30 seconds at best, due to how fast Torpor recovers your HP/MP.

When you are fighting, the first minute of a fight is generally all that matters to a Torpor Shaman (i.e. the time before a mob is slowed).

In the first minute of the fight, if you are at full HP, Vindi BP will soak 120-165HP, depending on if you are STA capped. It also has a chance to reduce additional damage via AC/Resists.

In the first minute of the fight, if you are at full HP, Fungi Tunic will soak 150HP.

After the first minute of the fight, Fungi Tunic Regen is irrelevant, as you are either dead/gated, or in control of the fight (slow has landed).

Vindi BP can easily save you more than 1300HP in a 10 minute fight, depending on how the AC/Resists mitigate damage. But the point you are missing is 1300HP over 10 minutes is irrelevant anyway, because that is just 1 Torpor. If 1 Torpor (200 mana) is the difference between life and death, the problem wasn't your equipment, it was a problem with your skill, bad luck, or with the fight you picked.

May I ask if you have a Torpor Shaman? From my experience playing a Torpor Shaman for years on P99, I can tell you that 15 extra HP regen per tick is not very useful once you have Torpor. To be honest I rarely cast Regrowth on myself, and I have no trouble finishing fights. I see no significant difference in the time it takes to finish a fight when having Regrowth on vs. not having it on. That means I am not missing the +28HP Regen from Fungi Tunic + Regrowth.

[ArbiterBlixen]

Yes, I have a torp shaman. The point isn't whether you'll notice the fungi regen after you have torp. The point is over a 10 minute fight it provides more than a Vindi BP. All additional pieces of gear will provide very marginal benefit but, it all adds up in the end. Even your own math says Vindi bp will provide between 120-165hp in the first minute Vs 150hp from fungi. So you're saying at best a 15hp difference in the first minute is somehow more valuable than 1300hp over the course of the whole fight? And again, I'm not making the point that this will make or break the fight. I'm simply saying that Fungi will outperform Vindi BP in a non-resist fight.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by ArbiterBlixen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, I have a torp shaman. The point isn't whether you'll notice the fungi regen after you have torp. The point is over a 10 minute fight it provides more than a Vindi BP. All additional pieces of gear will provide very marginal benefit but, it all adds up in the end. Even your own math say Vindi bp will provide between 120-165hp in the first minute Vs 150hp from fungi. So you're saying at best a 15hp difference in the first minute is somehow more valuable than 1300hp over the course of the whole fight? And again, I'm not making the point that this will make or break the fight. I'm simply saying that Fungi will outperform Vindi BP in a non-resist fight.

My point is that the extra mitigation from AC/Resists is going to save you when it matters. Vindi BP soaks the same flat damage over the first minute, plus it has the bonus chance of mitigating extra damage via the AC/Resists.

Once the mob is slowed Fungi Tunic regeneration is irrelevant. Who cares about Fungi Tunic regeneration if it has 0 effect on the fight? Once the mob is slowed you won't die, regardless of what chest piece you have on. And after the fight the time it takes to recover is the same.

Vindi BP is superior because it is better at handling damage spikes (a mob getting a lucky double attack for max damage, or casting a dangerous spell). Fungi Tunic is too slow and too consistent when fighting tough mobs. Torpor is just too fast in terms of recovery.

[bomaroast]

Fungi unless you're killing dragons.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bomaroast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fungi unless you're killing dragons.

Incorrect. Vindi BP for everything unless you are kiting something like an Ice Burrower (monsters that cannot summon and cannot cast spells). Sadly this is fairly rare, and I wouldn't advise kiting an Ice Burrower as a Shaman, it takes way too long. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fsvt1xfuqY this is me kiting an Ice Burrower for an hour.

[Danth]

I still marvel you had the patience to actually DO that, even if just once. They're slow enough even in a duo.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still marvel you had the patience to actually DO that, even if just once. They're slow enough even in a duo.

LOL I haven't done it since. It was fun to record the video, to satiate my curiosity. But I would never do it normally[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] You can make way more money in an hour doing other things.

Originally Posted by bomaroast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here, fixed. Fungi unless you're killing dragons or soloing SG water elementals.

Still incorrect. Vindi BP is better than Fungi Tunic on a Torpor Shaman.

[greenspectre]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still incorrect. Vindi BP is better than Fungi Tunic on a Torpor Shaman.

I have to third this, behind Danth. Hard content means you're going to want that extra AC to avoid damage spikes and increase the chance you live long enough to land slow (IE: Cliff Golems, WW Dragons). Easy content is where you think the fungi would get extra points, but the fact remains that Torpor is still so little mana and fills up so much of your life that it's still not worth it.

Example- lets say you're in KC doing something less intense than dragons. I dunno, you have a monk alt and want your Pawbuster or something. Drolvarg Bodyguards are gonna take chunks out of your life as you set up slows and roots as needed, so you'd think the Fungi helps there, but the increased AC from Vindi BP means you have a greater chance to avoid hits and stuns (insert argument for ogre FSI as applicable) and therefore spell interrupts. That's way more important than your regen over time, because landing Torpor is more essential to staying alive.

If you're doing anything easier than a situation like that (Frenzy in Guk for example) then your chest piece is irrelevant anyways. You could just as easily not wear a chest because Torpor will absorb it all. Therefore Vindi beats fungi at all times that matter.

[bomaroast]

Here, fixed. Fungi unless you're killing dragons or soloing SG water elementals.