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Old 09-09-2022, 06:18 PM
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If I agreed with your data being valid (I don't. But for the sake of argument). It doesn't change your situation. AGAIN you have invalidated your own argument with your own words. Your back is against the wall and you have no legitimate argument left so you're grasping at straws right now. I say again: Take a break. Nobody has to know it's because you lost. Just pretend your busy IRL like u did earlier.
Ok. So you agree with my data being valid. Great.

Now, show me where I invalidated my own argument.
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Old 09-09-2022, 06:20 PM
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Ok. So you agree with my data being valid. Great.

Now, show me where I invalidated my own argument.
I don't and you know it. You've admitted shamans are only best in this group for a couple niche situations. The question is about the best overall 4 man caster/priest group. By your own admission shaman does not fall into that category.


Please for the love of god take a break. It's super easy to be like "Hey guys I'm busy irl gonna stop posting for a little bit". Come back when you're less flustered and delusional. Maybe a nights sleep will help.
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Old 09-09-2022, 06:21 PM
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He's now admitted that mage is better at royals and necro is better at fungi king. He's basically just clinging on to shaman being helpful for ixiblat and maybe like WW dragons? He's backed himself into a very tiny corner with his own words at this point. Would ANYBODY base their entire group makeup for 1-60 and beyond around what class makes more sense for Ixiblat? Or would you take a mage/necro that makes more sense in the vast majority of cases? I played actively on blue for YEARS and I think I killed Ixiblat like twice.

This thread really should be over. I know it won't end. But DSM literally backed himself into a tiny corner and the floor has fallen out beneath him. He's dangling by a thread and is going to continue to argue from there I'm sure.
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I said all of this before, you just aren't reading, as usual. You simply have this strange straw man that I am obsessed with Shamans.
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Okay so we've established shaman has no place in this hypothetical best 4 man caster group outside of a niche mob or two. You keep bringing up Ixiblat which is one of very few situations where I think shaman might be helpful.

There ya have it boys and girls. If you want the best 4 man caster group for Ixiblat and maybe 1-2 other things put a shaman in there. For 1-60 and 95% of everything else at 60 pick something else.

End of thread.
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Old 09-09-2022, 06:21 PM
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Honestly, there might be a thing that gets him to shut up for good here. I don't know what it is.

I think basically we need to get video footage of a 2 enchanter, 1 cleric and 1 mage group doing Seb, then post the parse after an hour or two. Then do the same with mage swapped out for shaman.

But the most pertinent question is: why the fuck do we need to do that?!

DSM, just piss off already. Do you honestly believe your claim people are coming to this thread for your wisdom? Dream on, you cretin.
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Old 09-09-2022, 06:23 PM
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I think basically we need to get video footage of a 2 enchanter, 1 cleric and 1 mage group doing Seb, then post the parse after an hour or two. Then do the same with mage swapped out for shaman.
That would be great! Please provide this. It would be more productive than your last 100 posts or so that have zero evidence to back up your points.
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Old 09-09-2022, 06:25 PM
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That would be great! Please provide this. It would be more productive than your last 100 posts or so that have zero evidence to back up your points.
Please stop posting. You have invalidated your own argument by your own admissions. There is nothing left to discuss other than whining about trolls. Do you wanna continue doing that another couple hundred times?
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Old 09-09-2022, 06:26 PM
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Please stop posting. You have invalidated your own argument by your own admissions. There is nothing left to discuss other than whining about trolls. Do you wanna continue doing that another couple hundred times?
Sure. You don't get to win a debate by trolling. That isn't how this works. You can provide evidence to back up your claims (which you haven't done so far) or concede at any time.
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Old 09-09-2022, 06:28 PM
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Sure. You don't get to win a debate by trolling. That isn't how this works. You can provide evidence to back up your claims (which you haven't done so far) or concede at any time.
I have nothing to concede. My argument has been correct all along. You recently admitted your argument was incorrect by mistake. Now you're trying to backpedal and make up new bullshit and whine about trolling over and over to deflect from your mistake. As you may have noticed I'm very persistent. I have no plan of letting you weasel out of this or forget that you contradicted yourself and admitted you were wrong whether you like it or not.
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Old 09-09-2022, 06:31 PM
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That would be great! Please provide this. It would be more productive than your last 100 posts or so that have zero evidence to back up your points.
How was putting a solo situation with shaman evidence for shaman beating mage in group DPS?

Fuck off, you self-righteous arsehole.
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Old 09-09-2022, 06:32 PM
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How was putting a solo situation with shaman evidence for shaman beating mage in group DPS?

Fuck off, you self-righteous arsehole.
It is not my fault you seriously think class DPS can only be determined by gathering group data. Please answer this question honestly:

"If I provided 1000 data sets of a group where a Mage parsed at 40 DPS due to his group members sucking, does that mean a Mage's DPS in a group is an average of 40?"

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Post history couldn't be clearer
The copy/paste you keep doing doesn't say what you think it says. But again, context is irrelevant to a troll who can only attempt "gotchas" at this point.
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