Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[fortior]

Lol no way

[fortior]

WE're so back

[Jimjam]

Which caster has best melee? That will be the answer for best damage per mana. Don’t forget to med between swings.

[Vivitron]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which caster has best melee? That will be the answer for best damage per mana. Don’t forget to med between swings.

I think at BIS int casters are all equal with Staff of the Silent Star. But if you want to med between swings with that you're realistically going to need to stay slowed, so I'm awarding a point to DSM.

[Vivitron]

DSM is straight up right about ebolt though; if you're sure you'll get 4 ticks out of it it's better dpm than taps and if you think you'll likely get 5-6 it's better than nukes. That's something I didn't know (and tbh my necro's evocation is low so it's extra useful for me till I fix that.)

I can't imagine relying on a torp instead of casting BoD/VM if I'm tossing heals on a necro, but I absolutely love having regen on my 54 necro. It's a great quality of life improvement and decent efficiency bump.

[Troxx]

No, I just don’t neglect the time it actually costs to cast a spell on fast fights. If it’s dead in 30 seconds you won’t get 30 seconds of it unless you’re literally casting and landing it before the mob hits camp.

Hope that helps.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, I just don’t neglect the time it actually costs to cast a spell on fast fights. If it’s dead in 30 seconds you won’t get 30 seconds of it unless you’re literally casting and landing it before the mob hits camp.

Hope that helps.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In groups? You'll spend 2-3x the mana to do 25% of the damage vs just nuking/tapping

Are you able to admit you were wrong here, and just pulled these numbers out of your ass? Even with your unrealistic scenario of assuming Ebolt will always only tick 3 times, that is 548 damage for 320 mana, which is 1.71 damage per mana. Slightly worse than Touch of Night, but a farcry from "2-3x mana for 25% of the damage" lol. If you are even sometimes getting 4+ ticks out of EBolt, you are doing better than using Touch of Night. 4 ticks of EBolt is 2.16 damage per mana. The average between 1.71 and 2.16 is 1.935, which is better than Touch of Night at 1.7777.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you able to admit you were wrong here, and just pulled these numbers out of your ass? Even with your unrealistic scenario of assuming Ebolt will always only tick 3 times, that is 548 damage for 320 mana, which is 1.71 damage per mana. Slightly worse than Touch of Night, but a farcry from "2-3x mana for 25% of the damage" lol. If you are even sometimes getting 4+ ticks out of EBolt, you are doing better than using Touch of Night. 4 ticks of EBolt is 2.16 damage per mana. The average between 1.71 and 2.16 is 1.935, which is better than Touch of Night at 1.7777.

Perhaps I didn't explain myself clearly enough. I was referring to talking loading mobs up with the best dots.

I do find it amusing that you are splitting hairs on the mana efficiency of 2.16 vs 1.71 on a class with lich as if that difference in efficiency is a fraction of the difference between the dps of a mage (direct via nuking and pet and indirect via Dmg shield) lacking off and the much lower dps of a shaman trying to hard.

Remember, you also advocated (yesterday) for the cleric and necro healing the shaman so they can canni harder to still fail at DPS.

Enc/clr/wiz/necro for ports, DS, FD pulling, would take a uber geared monk over the necro if that were allowed though. For a unique class group that is. Other answer is still gonna be enc/enc/clr/wiz. This group will have whacked a whole continent of nameds before your DaP arrives at the druid ring you had to run to

Unless you specifically need to port to sky or hate, druid is the clear winner as the 4th if you wanted a porter. PoTG, mana free group regen, a better DS, harmony pulls if outside, and the mobility that goes along with sow and ports. They don't nuke like the wizard, mind you, but they nuke hard enough to make an impact when it's needed.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Perhaps I didn't explain myself clearly enough. I was referring to talking loading mobs up with the best dots.

No, you were just flat out wrong by a large margin. Just admit it please. I am not sure why it is so difficult for you to admit when you are wrong.

Even 3 ticks of Pyrocruor is 333 Damage for 400 mana, which is something like 45% damage for the same mana as Touch of Night. It is nowhere near 2-3x mana for 25% damage. You got both the mana and the damage values drastically wrong in all cases, regardless of the DoT. Please stop making stuff up and spitting it out, you are just going to confuse people. You also look bad yourself doing it.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do find it amusing that you are splitting hairs on the mana efficiency of 2.16 vs 1.71 on a class with lich as if that difference in efficiency is a fraction of the difference between the dps of a mage (direct via nuking and pet and indirect via Dmg shield) lacking off and the much lower dps of a shaman trying to hard.

In reality EBolt is typically going to do more than 3 ticks, even on trash mobs. You are simply doing your normal tactic of twisting all scenarios to be as bad as possible, so your argument looks better.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remember, you also advocated (yesterday) for the cleric and necro healing the shaman so they can canni harder to still fail at DPS.

You have the two level 60s classes that have Ebolt, and you didn't know about the spell at all. You clearly don't know how much DPS a Shaman or a Necromancer can do, even with both classes at level 60. Please quit while you are behind. You have lost this debate in the most spectacular fashion.

[fortior]

Using low tick DoTs like the poison line is fine, the muscle DoT line is 2nd best, other ones I wouldn't bother with. Lifetaps have a chunky -resist mod which is nice against higher level mobs. These details don't actually matter though, the damage issue has already been solved by the enchanter in the group.

Enc/clr/wiz/necro for ports, DS, FD pulling, would take a uber geared monk over the necro if that were allowed though. For a unique class group that is. Other answer is still gonna be enc/enc/clr/wiz. This group will have whacked a whole continent of nameds before your DaP arrives at the druid ring you had to run to