Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[fortior]

I think there are situations where you'd want both a cleric and a shaman, but the question of 'best 4 man group' cannot be answered without knowing the context, since each of the following meaningfully alters which classes' abilities are top tier

- the goal (xp, plat, loot, 'hardest target killed', specific quests, etc)
- real world or in a vacuum, aka is there competition (FTE or clearing wise), do you need the ability to do many different camps if yours is taken
- does the group need to act like a cohesive group

The OP is vague on all of this which is actually a benefit, because now you can look at different sets of contexts and see where some classes shine.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think there are situations where you'd want both a cleric and a shaman, but the question of 'best 4 man group' cannot be answered without knowing the context, since each of the following meaningfully alters which classes' abilities are top tier

- the goal (xp, plat, loot, 'hardest target killed', specific quests, etc)
- real world or in a vacuum, aka is there competition (FTE or clearing wise), do you need the ability to do many different camps if yours is taken
- does the group need to act like a cohesive group

The OP is vague on all of this which is actually a benefit, because now you can look at different sets of contexts and see where some classes shine.

There have been some great discussions here due to the lack of restrictions on OP's part for sure!

Without any specific direction, my default is what players do in reality. The goal of leveling is to get to 60 so you can play the endgame. This means the group is endgame focused. Pocket characters and mules are used, and the group is going after "normal" endgame camps that don't need a Warrior tanking. These are camps like Fungi King, Chardok, West Waste Dragons for 6+ Necks, Siren's Grotto, etc.

There are certainly a multitude of other routes that this group can take due to the lack of restriction. I am looking at the well trodden path, as people tend to gravitate towards it.

Doing things like low man ST clears is a cool idea for prismatic dragon scale MQs. It has a lofty requirement of four ST Keys, but it could be done eventually if all four group members are active in raiding guilds. Or if the group can somehow pool enough plat to buy four ST Keys.

[fortior]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doing things like low man ST clears is a cool idea for prismatic dragon scale MQs. It has a lofty requirement of four ST Keys, but it could be done eventually if all four group members are active in raiding guilds. Or if the group can somehow pool enough plat to buy four ST Keys.

I think PL on your server is theorycrafting a hyper low man vindi. Maybe you can do it with 4 but you’d definitely need logged characters to swap to and not lv 46 shitters

[bcbrown]

OK DSM, I'll make the case for cleric to you. But before I start, surely you're not disagreeing with the point that Clerics synergize well with Enchanters? I want to see where I can start from a place of common aggreement.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OK DSM, I'll make the case for cleric to you. But before I start, surely you're not disagreeing with the point that Clerics synergize well with Enchanters?

I am not sure where you are reading these things. This seems to be a common problem of yours.

Please show me where I said Clerics and Enchanters do not synergize well.

[bcbrown]

So then you agree that clerics and enchanters synergize well?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So then you agree that clerics and enchanters synergize well?

If you can't read the last post, I cannot help you. You need to be able to read what other peoole say before you can rebut them.

[bcbrown]

I'll take that as agreement.

One of the areas of synergy is with stuns. Enchanters have their own stuns, so it's not necessary, but it is helpful. If a cleric is quick with a stun, when the enchanter is interrupted or otherwise fails to get a stun off, that can save the enchanter a lot of trouble.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll take that as agreement.

One of the areas of synergy is with stuns. Enchanters have their own stuns, so it's not necessary, but it is helpful. If a cleric is quick with a stun, when the enchanter is interrupted or otherwise fails to get a stun off, that can save the enchanter a lot of trouble.

Indeed. But Enchanters can save them selves when soloing via their own stuns. As you say, it is merely helpful.

Malo reduces how often charm breaks occur, which is also helping the Enchanter when to comes to charm breaks.

The problem is reduced to "which scenario has a higher chance of saving the Enchanter". Neither party knows this answer, so it's not really clear which one is obviously better.

[Jimjam]

 

QUOTE=bcbrown;3690163]I'll take that as agreement.

One of the areas of synergy is with stuns. Enchanters have their own stuns, so it's not necessary, but it is helpful. If a cleric is quick with a stun, when the enchanter is interrupted or otherwise fails to get a stun off, that can save the enchanter a lot of trouble.[/QUOTE]

Specifically damageless stuns. Like a wizard has to be super careful trying to help out, whereas a cleric can just go in willy and indeed nilly.

Sorry didn’t realise how far behind i was on the discussion!!