Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Vexenu]

I'm wondering how much of DSM's stunning obstinacy in this thread is just him looking at this question differently. His stubborn insistence on including the Shaman could be justified if you interpret "best four man all caster group" to mean "pick four level 60 casters who can reliably and safely kill the most high value mobs". Under that interpretation I think there is a fair case to throw in a Shaman.

But I, and I think most others as well, have interpreted best four man caster group to mean "pick four casters to level 1-60 as quickly and effectively as possible while also maintaining maximum kill potential at endgame". It's a much broader definition, and because the Shaman relies so heavily on Torpor which doesn't come until 60 (and at great expense) it's impossible to justify including a Shaman in such a group for that reason alone. The mage or necro win out easily.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm wondering how much of DSM's stunning obstinacy in this thread is just him looking at this question differently. His stubborn insistence on including the Shaman could be justified if you interpret "best four man all caster group" to mean "pick four level 60 casters who can reliably and safely kill the most high value mobs". Under that interpretation I think there is a fair case to throw in a Shaman.

But I, and I think most others as well, have interpreted best four man caster group to mean "pick four casters to level 1-60 as quickly and effectively as possible while also maintaining maximum kill potential at endgame". It's a much broader definition, and because the Shaman relies so heavily on Torpor which doesn't come until 60 (and at great expense) it's impossible to justify including a Shaman in such a group for that reason alone. The mage or necro win out easily.

Um, I have said multiple times in this thread I am looking at the entire playtime, including level 60 item farming. Remember, OP didn't add any specifiers such as "fastest leveling group".

As I keep saying, a 4 man caster group is going to level extremely fast, with or without a Mage. It is up to your group to decide whether you want to level a bit faster with a Mage, at the cost of the Mage basically being unecessary at the end.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mage basically being unecessary at the end.

Yeah 50% more DPS is really unnecessary and useless. Sorry about your delusion and the fact that mages do a lot more damage than your shaman. Take it up with Brad. Nobody here can help you.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah 50% more DPS is really unnecessary and useless. Sorry about your delusion and the fact that mages do a lot more damage than your shaman. Take it up with Brad. Nobody here can help you.

You already admitted groups aren't gong to be chain pulling mobs at 60, which was the entire argument for Mages[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Nobody cares about 30 DPS when doing level 60 item farming like Fungi King.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am maintaining civility in this discussion, and my position is founded on hard evidence. The only insults I throw are thrown in defense.

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you have not maintained civility in this discussion.

I have maintained civility in my posts to you - in which I have ONLY stated facts and asked questions - and despite my civility you have (repeatedly) called me a troll, called me silly, accused me of doing/posting things I have not done/posted, and meanwhile have continued to ignore my simple questions and avoided responding to the many facts I've stated. I present both of our posts - from this thread and elsewhere - as evidence of my civility, and you have provided no counterevidence despite me requesting you provide it (multiple times).

Why do you opt out of partaking in a civil discussion with me, and meanwhile claim that you are maintaining civility in this discussion (yet choose to continue to call me names for [seemingly] no reason)?


Why do you feel the need to "defend yourself" from any of the facts I have stated or questions I have asked?

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You already admitted groups aren't gong to be chain pulling mobs at 60, which was the entire argument for Mages[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Nobody cares about 30 DPS when doing level 60 item farming like Fungi King.

Sorry you have to deal with the fact that mages do 50% more DPS than shamans. I know this is difficult. I'm confident you'll find a way to cope with it eventually!

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am maintaining civility in this discussion, and my position is founded on hard evidence. The only insults I throw are thrown in defense.

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you have not maintained civility in this discussion.

I have maintained civility in my posts to you - in which I have ONLY stated facts and asked questions - and despite my civility you have (repeatedly) called me a troll, called me silly, accused me of doing/posting things I have not done/posted, and meanwhile have continued to ignore my simple questions and avoided responding to the many facts I've stated. I present both of our posts - from this thread and elsewhere - as evidence of my civility, and you have provided no counterevidence despite me requesting you provide it (multiple times).

Why do you opt out of partaking in a civil discussion with me, and meanwhile claim that you are maintaining civility in this discussion (yet choose to continue to call me names for [seemingly] no reason)?


Why do you feel the need to "defend yourself" from any of the facts I have stated or questions I have asked?

[Toxigen]

No one is farming Fungi King with 4 people, nevermind 4 casters.

Hope this helps.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one is farming Fungi King with 4 people, nevermind 4 casters.

Hope this helps.

OP might, since he made a 4 man caster group[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Not sure why you are trying to discourage OP from farming good items.

Hope this helps.

[Vexenu]

1-59: Shaman is complete dead weight, basically just a SoW bot, bringing mostly unneeded utility. Mage is extremely strong 1-50 with no gear requirements, softens a bit 50+ but still outputting enormous DPS and requiring very modest gear. Necro is very strong 1-50 and adds an extreme level of utility in the form of snare, FD pulling, twitch and Screaming Terror for charm breaks while also putting out good DPS with the pet or undead charm the entire time. Falls off a little 50+ but remains very strong and provides enormous utility still.

There's basically no reason to ever pick the Shaman unless you are already all geared out at 60 and trying to four man something really hard that you need to slow ASAP and which you can also leverage the Shaman DoTs on. The Necro adds so much more value over the life of the group from 1-60 it isn't even funny.