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Old 08-29-2022, 11:52 PM
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what is this thread even about again? feel like this belonged in RnF 85 pages ago.
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Old 08-30-2022, 12:00 AM
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what is this thread even about again? feel like this belonged in RnF 85 pages ago.
Your previous post was exactly what this thread is about. Best 4 man caster/priest group.

I agree with your assessment, Shaman/Enchanter/Necromancer/Cleric is probably the best all around choice, and that this thread should have been moved into RnF once the trolls moved in.

We were debating whether or not a Mage should make the list. The argument for Mage was Malo + Charm Break Safety (pet tanking) + DPS.

I showed them the numbers on how Mage DPS isn't that much better than Shaman DPS, and Shaman's also cover the Malo + Charm Break Safety portions quite well. Plus Shamans have a much broader kit to help out in other situations too. Therefore you don't really need to bring a Mage over a Shaman, unless you need CoTH support.

But for some reason people don't understand basic math on these forums. They believe that DPS somehow changes based on being a in a group (even though mob stats don't change based on solo/group status), and you can't math out average DPS in a game literally based on averages. So they trolled the thread into oblivion because they believe their "experience" negates factual mathematical realities.

The provider of the Mage data (Troxx) claims his own data is inaccurate (and theoretically that means Mage DPS is higher), but he consistently refuses to provide "accurate" data. He blames me for not bringing data that fits his arbitrary standards, so he just dismisses it.

My data is here if you are interested: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=638 .
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Old 08-30-2022, 12:28 AM
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They believe that DPS somehow changes based on being a in a group
We're talking about DPS from a DoT based class in a group with multiple charm pets and your beloved "data" was you slowly soloing shit. If you can't see how multiple variables in this equation change in a fast killing chain pulling group vs. you soloing mobs then you're a bigger moron than I previously thought (and I previously thought you were a really really big moron)
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Old 08-30-2022, 12:32 AM
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We're talking about DPS from a DoT based class in a group with multiple charm pets and your beloved "data" was you slowly soloing shit. If you can't see how multiple variables in this equation change in a fast killing chain pulling group vs. you soloing mobs then you're a bigger moron than I previously thought (and I previously thought you were a really really big moron)
Show us what you think the "variables" are that change in a group. Otherwise you are just leaving it ambiguous because you don't actually have the "variables", and you are hoping to bluff your way through the conversation.
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Old 08-30-2022, 12:36 AM
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Show us what you think the "variables" are that change in a group. Otherwise you are just leaving it ambiguous because you don't actually have the "variables", and you are hoping to bluff your way through the conversation.
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I'm at a loss for words. You are literally beyond help.
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I'm at a loss for words. You are literally beyond help.
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Once you reveal what you think the "variables" are, I can easily math it out and show you it doesn't change the averages. Monster stats don't change solo vs. group.
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Old 08-30-2022, 12:49 AM
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Yup, bluffing your way through[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once you reveal what you think the "variables" are, I can easily math it out and show you it doesn't change the averages. Monster stats don't change solo vs. group.
How about when the charms are eating mobs alive and your idiot dots tick like once or twice per mob like I mentioned like 3 times and you ignored or didn't read at all? You act like you're the only person that's ever played everquest before. I've had a 60 shaman and 50 necro on P99. I know how dot damage in groups works. It fucking sucks dick cause mobs almost always die too quick for them to be efficient. In a group that's chain pulling mobs that die in ~30s or less your DoT DPS is going to be ass and there's no debate or data or math about it. A mage nuking once or twice will beat your dots every single time and not by a small amount. The only way dots can be decent in this scenario is root rotting adds which is fucking stupid.

God damn your ignorance is frustrating
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