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Old 08-30-2022, 03:38 PM
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I don't suppose dumping 20 into Wis to max out my mana pool is an option for a HIE Pally?
y tho?

You'll never really be constrained by your total mana pool, but rather your mana regeneration.

Most people go STR for swing dmg. I never once regretted the CHA, but I min/maxed and twinked the hell out of my paladin.
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Old 08-30-2022, 03:44 PM
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y tho?

You'll never really be constrained by your total mana pool, but rather your mana regeneration.

Most people go STR for swing dmg. I never once regretted the CHA, but I min/maxed and twinked the hell out of my paladin.
How is CHA the min/max route though? I don't really use Lull much since I do the bulk of my leveling on Paineel guards. The only thing I can figure is to max the chance of DI working?

If I'm going to commit to a second paladin, I want it to be statistically different enough from my Dwarf Pally for its playstyle to deviate.

Edit: The Discord is saying CHA is the min/max route too, mainly because, with BiS gear, a HIE Pally with base stats can still reach the caps.

I guess that decides it then. 20 into CHA, and just survive with crap Str/Sta/Dex.
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Old 08-30-2022, 03:59 PM
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How is CHA the min/max route though? I don't really use Lull much since I do the bulk of my leveling on Paineel guards. The only thing I can figure is to max the chance of DI working?

If I'm going to commit to a second paladin, I want it to be statistically different enough from my Dwarf Pally for its playstyle to deviate.

Edit: The Discord is saying CHA is the min/max route too, mainly because, with BiS gear, a HIE Pally with base stats can still reach the caps.

I guess that decides it then. 20 into CHA, and just survive with crap Str/Sta/Dex.
Well if your plan is to just farm guards you don't really need it.

I maxed CHA because I solo dungeon crawled. Efficiency came from having to cast fewer lulls / calms / pacis, and also not having those crit resist bringing more mobs than desired.

I stuck to the super high ZEMs (Warrens --> Perma --> CT --> Kedge --> Hole) where splitting out singles from packs was a requirement.

Again, I was mega twinked. Mileage may vary.
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Old 08-30-2022, 04:24 PM
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Well if your plan is to just farm guards you don't really need it.

I maxed CHA because I solo dungeon crawled. Efficiency came from having to cast fewer lulls / calms / pacis, and also not having those crit resist bringing more mobs than desired.

I stuck to the super high ZEMs (Warrens --> Perma --> CT --> Kedge --> Hole) where splitting out singles from packs was a requirement.

Again, I was mega twinked. Mileage may vary.
The way I see it, I'm conflicted between four options for starting points:

A: 10 Str, 5 Sta, 5 Dex
B: 20 STA
C: 20 WIS
D: 20 CHA
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Old 08-30-2022, 04:42 PM
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You will have the biggest struggle with stamina. Wis not too important, cha you can gear swap. Str easiest stat with buffs
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Old 08-30-2022, 04:54 PM
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It doesn’t sound like charisma will ever be relevant to you. Go str for carrying guard loot. Unless you are gonna try faction with Heretics first?


What level is your ranger and what gear is he wearing? Maybe make a magelo with the gear your paladin will wear and see where you think it needs to put its starting stats into?
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It doesn’t sound like charisma will ever be relevant to you. Go str for carrying guard loot. Unless you are gonna try faction with Heretics first?


What level is your ranger and what gear is he wearing? Maybe make a magelo with the gear your paladin will wear and see where you think it needs to put its starting stats into?
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I would max Deepwater Knights faction by farming Elial Brook, then I'd start the Heretics grind in Warren to get a key into Paineel, then level on guards there until 51.
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Old 08-30-2022, 08:47 PM
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It's honestly not worth rolling a High Elf just for ND and higher CHA. You can carry a bag full of +CHA gear and put it on for extremely risky lull attempts (and note that +CHA gear is very cheap and very plentiful, you can literally get over 100 CHA in just a few items and jewelry. You can get +45 CHA from a Crude Stein and Kobold Jester Crown alone, and the Luminary Two handed sword that procs Glamour is another +30 CHA). Most of the time you lull it will be for convenience pulls and getting an add or two won't be a matter of life and death. Dwarf Pally is perfectly serviceable with low CHA.
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Old 08-30-2022, 09:12 PM
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It's honestly not worth rolling a High Elf just for ND and higher CHA. You can carry a bag full of +CHA gear and put it on for extremely risky lull attempts (and note that +CHA gear is very cheap and very plentiful, you can literally get over 100 CHA in just a few items and jewelry. You can get +45 CHA from a Crude Stein and Kobold Jester Crown alone, and the Luminary Two handed sword that procs Glamour is another +30 CHA). Most of the time you lull it will be for convenience pulls and getting an add or two won't be a matter of life and death. Dwarf Pally is perfectly serviceable with low CHA.
Honestly I'm willing to level another pally just because I love pallies, despite how few people play them. I just want my HIE Pally to be varied enough statistically from my Dwarf Pally to have at least a slightly different playstyle (I.E can do the pulling in a group, or even be a secondary healer). Also, one would do light raiding (I.E Fear/Hate), while the other would be a money farmer in Paineel or some other Undead zone where the mobs are walking mucho dinero.

Hence why I am considering 20 WIS, as capping WIS is not easy and I could use that extra mana not just for healing, but for undead nuking as well. But giving up 20 Stamina is a big asking price too.

Tough decision.
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Honestly I'm willing to level another pally just because I love pallies, despite how few people play them.
This is a perfectly valid reason to roll a new Pally. However, I think you will be disappointed if you expect the High Elf to play much differently than the Dwarf. Basically, the only difference you're likely to notice is that you're much more easily encumbered due to the low STR (even with twink gear it will be noticeable).

Honestly, if you want to the sort of "battle healer" vibe, you'd be better off rolling a Dwarf Cleric and twinking with a lot of STR, AC and haste gear, or an Ogre Shaman. I had a Dwarf Cleric with melee gear and leveled him solo mostly meleeing until around level 40. Works way better than you'd expect. A Shaman can face tank/melee decently even longer thanks to slow, DoTs and pet.
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