Shadow knight aggro

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no rage here, lol. Just a lot of irony.

Again, you aren't making me look bad, or you look good. You are bloating threads with nonsense because you couldn't provide evidence for your opinions. You could try to bring more than nonsense into the discussion if you think I am wrong.

[Guesty07]

Everything you say is a projection of your own self on these fourms. You talk nonsense you troll you you clutter up your post history you make yourself look bad

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Guesty07 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everything you say is a projection of your own self on these fourms. You talk nonsense you troll you you clutter up your post history you make yourself look bad

Remember this?

Originally Posted by Guesty07 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wahhhh everybody is a troll except me wahhhhhh

You're the one posting nonsense and trolling. You aren't foolng anybody.

[Guesty07]

Neither are you that's the whole point

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by Guesty07 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everything you say is a projection of your own self on these fourms. You talk nonsense you troll you you clutter up your post history you make yourself look bad

Too bad he'll never recognise this. Wouldn't want him to sink deeper into self-hatred...

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, if you need to rely on taunt you have failed. That is what I have been saying the entire time.

You can put taunt, disarm, beg, and slam/bash on the same macro for regular fights when you aren't trying to interrupt spells or deal with mezed mobs. It saves you APM and gives you a chance to taunt at the right time. Just spam it and generate all the hate you can, while giving yourself a chance to taunt at the right time. Just use a different macro page if you need to separate slam/bash and make a macro for just taunt/beg/disarm if you want to frontload agro into a mezed mob. Or always keep them separate if it doesn't bother you to press 2 buttons instead of 1.

Saying that spamming taunt is somehow going to put you in a situation where not having it for 2 seconds is a going to be a major problem is really silly lol. I have never been in a situation where having taunt on cooldown was a problem. This is because taunt isn't a skill you rely on in the first place.

Classic Dsm gaslighting, trying to make me believe I said something that I didn’t. Nothing wrong with having some kind of reliance on taunt, it’s a tool in your kit so by definition you innately have a reason to use it. Pet breaks especially it does come in handy, since an enchanter does not want their pet dc’d(dc sucks anyway) or atk debuffed, leaving basically one shroud to pull aggro.

There’s no such thing as both spamming and using it as needed, just wild theorycraft. If you’re spamming, you already gave up the ability to use it as needed, because you have no idea when you’ll actually need it.

Once you realize it’s not about changing his opinion, but more about defending the truth, it becomes easier to deal with nonsense.

[Guesty07]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Classic Dsm gaslighting, trying to make me believe I said something that I didn’t. Nothing wrong with having some kind of reliance on taunt, it’s a tool in your kit so by definition you innately have a reason to use it. Pet breaks especially it does come in handy, since an enchanter does not want their pet dc’d(dc sucks anyway) or atk debuffed, leaving basically one shroud to pull aggro.

There’s no such thing as both spamming and using it as needed, just wild theorycraft. If you’re spamming, you already gave up the ability to use it as needed, because you have no idea when you’ll actually need it.

Once you realize it’s not about changing his opinion, but more about defending the truth, it becomes easier to deal with nonsense.

Well said, its really not rocket science is it lol. But he's wrong, he knows he's wrong but he can't go back now. So he keeps peddling the nonsense and giving armature tanking advice. Leave it to the pros

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Classic Dsm gaslighting, trying to make me believe I said something that I didn’t. Nothing wrong with having some kind of reliance on taunt, it’s a tool in your kit so by definition you innately have a reason to use it. Pet breaks especially it does come in handy, since an enchanter does not want their pet dc’d(dc sucks anyway) or atk debuffed, leaving basically one shroud to pull aggro.

There’s no such thing as both spamming and using it as needed, just wild theorycraft. If you’re spamming, you already gave up the ability to use it as needed, because you have no idea when you’ll actually need it.

Once you realize it’s not about changing his opinion, but more about defending the truth, it becomes easier to deal with nonsense.

Theres no gaslighting going on lol. Please stop making stuff up, it doesn't help your position. It just makes you look bad. Attacking people because you can't win with facts and logic is not a valid method of argument.

Yes, you can spam taunt and then switch to strategic usage, it has a 6 second cooldown. It will pop back up by the time you have finished your first agro spell, which you would be casting anyway. Do you not use taunt after the first one failed? Your logic that you can't do both is mind boggling unless you only use taunt the first time you lose agro, and then never touch it again even after a failure. If a strategic taunt fails the first time, you can use it again 6 seconds later. No different than if you spam and then switch to strategic usage.

DC isn't used anymore, so I am not sure why you are bringing it up. You would use shroud of hate or shadow vortex on the pet. The ATK debuff isn't detrimental enough to matter on mobs you would be charming. That's why Shamans/Enchanters aren't casting cripple on blue con mobs. You aren't relying on taunt in that situation, and since the pet should be behind the mob, you are probably out of melee range for taunt to begin with since you are in front tanking.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I'll put this in the simplest terms possible, as it seems like people don't seem to grasp the concept of a 6 second timer. Or they are trolling. It's hard to tell which at this point. You can test this out in game easily, it isn't difficult to do yourself. This isn't theorycrafting.

Scenario A - Spam Taunt:

1. Press Taunt
2. Taunt fails for whatever reason (bad timing, mob distance, lose the random number game)
3. Switch your style to strategic taunting
4. Wait 6 seconds
5. Press Taunt again
6. Taunt succeeds
7. Continue taunting as necessary (mob flips again, multiple mobs are in camp, etc.)

Scenario B - Strategic Taunt:

1. Press Taunt
2. Taunt fails for whatever reason (bad timing, mob distance, lose the random number game)
3. Switch your style to strategic taunting
4. Wait 6 seconds
5. Press Taunt again
6. Taunt succeeds
7. Continue taunting as necessary (mob flips again, multiple mobs are in camp, etc.)

The only difference between the two scenarios is spamming taunt has a lower chance of success on the first taunt. After that you can switch to strategic taunting for all subsequent taunts until the situation is under control. Nobody is disagreeing with the fact that spamming taunt has a lower chance of success on the first taunt, including myself. Nor have I ever argued otherwise.

The benefit of spamming taunt is it allows you to save APM and/or brain power to focus on other things, while still retaining some benefit. You get +1 hate every 6 seconds, and an 8.33% chance of taunting at the right time. There are multiple posters in this thread who have claimed that they do not use taunt at all. Spamming taunt is certainly better than never using it if you were to pick between the two. A tank who spams taunt is factually generating more agro than a tank who never uses taunt. Putting taunt on an existing macro you are already spamming (bash/slam perhaps) is effortless, and gives you extra agro for free. Due to the cooldown timer of taunt being 6 seconds, you can always switch strategies as necessary. If you as the tank are losing agro every 30 seconds, then you can stop spamming taunt and use it strategically until you can figure out why you are losing agro so often.

[Duik]

Ok. We get it. Say stuff once and leave it there. I have seen the same fucking sentences over and over. Sometimes worded slightly differently but still.
As it is, id prefer trolls than spammers. Some trolls are at the least entertaining.
But please, continue repeating ones self and calling out trolls. Repeatedly.