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04-02-2010, 09:28 PM
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Back to the subject... I still like having the extra base str cause you end up having to give up a lot of str gear for resist gear. With a 128 base str you can use all the standard resist jewelry slots for resists and still have a damn good str. 255 str is still Way better then 200 as far as I can tell with what damage I do and my attack rating.
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04-02-2010, 08:28 PM
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I haven't tested it, I was giving you a legit test to try. The firebeetle eye thing is stupid. Just because the main hand isn't swinging doesn't mean the delay of the fist isn't being used for the skill check in the background. I certainly could be wrong, but I really don't think all the people on live doing the high damage/delay for the offhand were all insane. If so, then Druzzil Ro was full of crazy monks and warriors.
If that's not how it works here then emu is incorrect *shrug* I would love to see some screenshots proving how things work on p99 one way or the other with the test I gave. edit: I suppose you wouldn't even need a monk for this, any class with DW would do even better since their naked mainhand would be slower. | ||
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04-02-2010, 08:39 PM
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I found an old thread on the subject, apparently I was wrong on this, but it was a common misconception. I never played a melee on live so I guess this is what I get for taking other people's word on it 10 years ago :P I also learned that there's no damage bonus on the offhand, which I didn't know.
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04-02-2010, 09:37 PM
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Talking mad shit? I said multiple times that I could be wrong and even admitted that I was when I found the evidence. That fact that you would go and insult me after that (when I had never said a rude word to you) leads me to believe you have some kind of issues with your self worth. Your lack of originality, reading comprehension, and manners sicken me. I'm done with this thead.
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04-02-2010, 09:40 PM
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Respect is something I am in short supply of, you get none.
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05-05-2010, 01:48 AM
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Rogues range from "good DPS" to "HOLY **** DPS" depending on gear and how well they are played...You really can't go wrong wherever you put your stats, honestly.
That said, when I created my rogue the conventional wisdom was to get all your melee stats to 75 then dump the rest into STA, but that was said of pretty much every class at the time. If I had it to do all over again, I would have gotten STA, AGI and DEX to 75, then put the rest in STR....Apparently STR calculates into ATK higher than worn/buffed STR and when you get to high level it's all about your ATK because that affects the calculation of every hit you make. If you don't care about min/maxing, I wouldn't worry about it. Dump all your points into CHA and INT or something and you will still make a kickin rogue if you gear up and learn how to do your job right. | ||
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05-05-2010, 02:21 AM
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Oh, and the "dead rogues do no damage" argument is kind of bogus here....That's really more for gear choices and what AA to prioritize. Dead wizzies do no damage either, nor do dead clerics heal, but I wouldn't exactly tell them to stick all their points in STA either.
Being "dead" or not is all about how you play your rogue, not where you stick your starting points. I would sweat keeping your Defense skill up as you level, more than I would where you put your points on creation. It really comes down to weather you want to tweak up your ATK on creation, or HPS on creation, but neither are going to make or break you. That said, I've never seen a rogue evaluated on his hit points or ability to tank. I have very often seen rogues evaluated on DPS parses compared to other rogues and DPS classes, though. If you want every hit to be the absolutely the highest it can possibly be in a given set of gear, put your points in STR. But again, you are still going to be laying down insane DPS even with no points in STR. | ||
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05-05-2010, 02:49 AM
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I would like to see some evidence of this "starting STR factors into ATK more heavily than worn/buff STR."
So far, I have seen 2 random people say "i think i remembur it." Till then, I call bullshit and advise people to stick with max STA in creation with the rest into STR. I've been at the brink of death too many times in raids to believe anything else is worthwhile. Also, I *do* top the parses in DPS, while staying alive (barely, sometimes), when many other rogues might (and often do) die. Evaluate that.
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