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Old 08-08-2024, 06:28 PM
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< - - - - Quarm is that way
Bro wants to keep losing players to Quarm instead of fixing problems

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Old 08-08-2024, 06:30 PM
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I aint going to read the whole thread so bare with me if some of this has already gone over.

There's a lot of conflicting requests in OP. The content is trivial, yet when you had the camp and were 'pressured' into clearing the room (which, on blue, is the rule to maintain camp) and you had to cap. You want to solo content, but play an mmo. You're a 'solo artist' but refuse to suffer for your art.

What do you think is going to happen if the rule gets turned into rolls? "Hey guys I just want to solo her, you can log off" sorry that happened recently on blue, and that guild got SUCH a stern warning.

If you want to solo her as an achievement, fine, but being unable and unwilling to cooperate with others to help you achieve that goal (like many others camping ds) isnt what everquest is about (unless it's due to time and availability, and it's your last piece, then it's grats bladefrenzy.) You might want to look into switching your guild or earn social credit with others to help you achieve this goal.


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Player Health: The current situation promotes unhealthy gaming habits, with players camping DS non-stop.
You're right camping non stop is unhealthy, probably why you should have friends and cooperate by rotating for breaks.

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Toxicity: The high competition and harassment, as exemplified by my experiences with "Good Guys," foster a toxic environment.
Cant say for green but the only way to counter this is to beat them at their own game, maneuver around them, and dont cause conflict.

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Fair Access: The DS camp’s urn is valuable for all classes, similar to other high-demand items like Journeyman Boots. Current rules allow high-end guilds to monopolize the camp, excluding others.
At least on blue, when the current occupant gets their drop then they should rotate to the next in line. Can they lie and say they never get an urn? yes but that would be fraud and bannable under pnp, if you think that could be the case I'm sure guides would love to intermittently sleuth on drops.

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Economic Impact: The urn sells for approximately 250k on the green server, and monopolization by a few guilds may drive real-money trading (RMT) influences.
'May' is the key word here, do you have evidence of this RMTing? It is a rare and valuable drop, like many other raid obtained droppable gear. What evidence is there that this won't make the price worse? Head of Skargus MQ is last listed at 125k on green and it's a prereq for urn turn in.

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Balancing Gameplay: DS camp difficulty is now trivial, making a list/line/roll system more reasonable and beneficial for a fair distribution of opportunities.
We went over this, it's not trivial, you capped out, you've stated that groups have wiped multiple times to just continually clearing the room.
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Old 08-08-2024, 06:47 PM
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wow strange

all the people with primal loot and monopoly on everything worthwhile don't want rules to change

weird
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Old 08-08-2024, 07:09 PM
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Jesus Haytch Christ.
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Old 08-08-2024, 08:54 PM
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I aint going to read the whole thread so bare with me if some of this has already gone over.

There's a lot of conflicting requests in OP. The content is trivial, yet when you had the camp and were 'pressured' into clearing the room (which, on blue, is the rule to maintain camp) and you had to cap. You want to solo content, but play an mmo. You're a 'solo artist' but refuse to suffer for your art.

What do you think is going to happen if the rule gets turned into rolls? "Hey guys I just want to solo her, you can log off" sorry that happened recently on blue, and that guild got SUCH a stern warning.

If you want to solo her as an achievement, fine, but being unable and unwilling to cooperate with others to help you achieve that goal (like many others camping ds) isnt what everquest is about (unless it's due to time and availability, and it's your last piece, then it's grats bladefrenzy.) You might want to look into switching your guild or earn social credit with others to help you achieve this goal.


As a rebuttal to your claims:


You're right camping non stop is unhealthy, probably why you should have friends and cooperate by rotating for breaks.


Cant say for green but the only way to counter this is to beat them at their own game, maneuver around them, and dont cause conflict.


At least on blue, when the current occupant gets their drop then they should rotate to the next in line. Can they lie and say they never get an urn? yes but that would be fraud and bannable under pnp, if you think that could be the case I'm sure guides would love to intermittently sleuth on drops.


'May' is the key word here, do you have evidence of this RMTing? It is a rare and valuable drop, like many other raid obtained droppable gear. What evidence is there that this won't make the price worse? Head of Skargus MQ is last listed at 125k on green and it's a prereq for urn turn in.


We went over this, it's not trivial, you capped out, you've stated that groups have wiped multiple times to just continually clearing the room.
Thanks for your input, sorry but many of these points have been discussed in great detail so I likely won't go over them again. I will say "trivial" meaning, anyone with 1-2 friends can do this, a solo artist has it on a hard difficulty for a reason.
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Old 08-08-2024, 09:01 PM
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Update on the Situation:

I’m currently taking a closer look at Blue’s URN system and speaking with them to gather more details. This system may serve as an alternative to the /random system, which seems to have worked out for them. Based on the feedback so far, many (not all) of the "No" votes appear to come from the following groups:

1. GG players involved in the DS camp.
2. Urn sellers (likely associated with GG, though it’s hard to confirm).
3. Members of Blue’s URN group who don’t want to see changes that could impact their system.
4. Unknowns, including some new accounts that were recently created for the forums. There's even one that looks like it might be a bot account voting.

Given the interest in not disrupting Blue’s system (and considering that the URN setup on Blue seems to align with efforts Kingdom has tried to implement), I’ll be investigating this further. I’ll update here with more information as I learn more.
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Old 08-08-2024, 09:07 PM
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Cool, tysm for making Norrath a better world

Can a 60 Paladin with ec gear break into HS ent, maybe even solo a few in the easy wings?
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Old 08-08-2024, 09:38 PM
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Welp now every raid target is DS rules. See what ya did?
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Old 08-08-2024, 11:46 PM
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op might be DSM
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Old 08-09-2024, 02:47 AM
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Instead of even entertaining the thought that his idea sucks and might not have universal acclaim, OP immediately moves to discredit anyone voting against what he wants.
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