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Old 08-16-2024, 11:38 AM
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Didn’t realise bards can cast c2. Fair play zu.
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Old 08-16-2024, 12:17 PM
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Didn’t realise bards can cast c2. Fair play zu.
C'mon, you're not this daft. They have Cantata of Replenishment, and can pump even more mana than that if they want to.
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Old 08-16-2024, 05:53 PM
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The only time Celestial Cleansing would be worse than Mend is if the Paladin is attacking with zero downtime for several hours, in a group with zero mana regen buffs (including the Paladin not having a Flowing Thought item). Very rare. Realistically, the Paladin will be able to catch some meditate ticks and/or will gain enough mana while perma standing. If Monks were offered the choice of gaining mana/meditate and Celestial Cleansing, instead of Mend, they would take that trade.
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I love my paladin but you do realize that you’ve got 58 long level to complete before it even enters the equation right? And if we are only considering the end game … well by then the shaman has torpor (doesn’t stack with celestial cleansing) and a well played necro will be juggling the lions share of the healing with a 125/tick recourse heal that stacks with torpor.

The beauty of mend is not for the average hp healed over time - it is that it is instant and available on a short refresh timer. With a necro and a shaman healing … you aren’t going to need self-heals routinely. When you do, an emergency instant heal is better than a heal over time. Yes … paladins do have LoH … but how long is the refresh on that again?

Sorry bud … you ain’t right here
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Old 08-16-2024, 06:29 PM
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Yeah, I'm a big advocate for Paladins, but the Monk is clearly better with Shm/Nec. You can talk about throwing a Paladin in a non-Enchanter trio if you also throw in a Bard for mana regen (hence my earlier suggestion of PAL/BRD/DRU). But at that point you really can't call it a power trio, just one with fairly good synergy with a lot of room to play around and experiment.
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Old 08-16-2024, 06:45 PM
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I love my paladin but you do realize that you’ve got 58 long level to complete before it even enters the equation right
So what? That's what was being discussed. People are trying to talk about how much Mend heals on a 60 Monk.

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And if we are only considering the end game … well by then the shaman has torpor (doesn’t stack with celestial cleansing)
Torpor reduces DPS. If that's even the healer the group has. Bard/Monk/Cleric has been argued as a top choice.

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The beauty of mend is not for the average hp healed over time - it is that it is instant and available on a short refresh timer. When you do, an emergency instant heal is better than a heal over time. Yes … paladins do have LoH … but how long is the refresh on that again?
If you only need Mend in an "emergency" then it's not that often and Lay Hands does the job better. Paladins have superior healing for a more direct heal as well, which actually works on other party members.

It's crazy to argue that Mend is better than having an entire mana bar and set of heals to work with.
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Old 08-16-2024, 07:07 PM
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Mend is rediculously powerful
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Old 08-16-2024, 07:13 PM
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Oh well.

I tried.
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Old 08-16-2024, 07:18 PM
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It’s not just mend, it’s also the massively better dps and mitigation

I’d do 3 nec HS though, or seb with crypt pets (prolly want a cleric to keep them alive then)
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Old 08-16-2024, 07:28 PM
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It’s not just mend, it’s also the massively better dps and mitigation
Yes, exactly. Mend is NOT better than Paladin healing. Monks are simply better than Paladins as a whole.
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