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Old 09-11-2024, 11:51 AM
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^^ 100%

A lot of what makes EQ sims different is the temperment of the players. Sure charm didn’t last as long on live but the people not charming pets just wanted a more chill game. Or they didn’t want to burn tons of peridots in groups. Or nobody expected every enchanter to just do it.
I'm so sick of hearing this terrible argument.

It amounts to "live Enchanters didn't know how to cast the spells on their spell list" ... despite the fact that there was 20x or more of them playing on live than on here, and they all shared information on the Enchanter forum the same way we share info here. In fact, they did so a lot more, because the game was new, there was no wiki, and there was a lot more info to share.

So either 20x Enchanters were all terrible players who couldn't cast spells on their list ... or our emulator is doing a bad job of emulating (in the one specific area of charm; it does a pretty amazing job almost everywhere else).
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Old 09-11-2024, 01:42 PM
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To be fair. Looking at later games such as WoW it was obvious that even the big guilds had little clue as to what they're doing. Vanilla WoW is played in a way today that's vastly different from back then. People solo-farming gold in high level group and raid content, people leveling by pulling and AoEing entire dungeons, people PvP'ing using tactics and items that were previously unused.

Velious era EQ is even older. The grind to 50+ is way more brutal than WoW. I can buy that tactics and understanding of the game were limited to the point that some EQ chanter soloing content wasn't a commonly know about thing.

But if channeling truly is broken on p99 and better than it should be, torpor also shouldn't have been a viable front-tanking method. Is there any evidence for torpor working the way it does?
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Old 09-11-2024, 03:12 PM
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I'm so sick of hearing this terrible argument.

It amounts to "live Enchanters didn't know how to cast the spells on their spell list" ... despite the fact that there was 20x or more of them playing on live than on here, and they all shared information on the Enchanter forum the same way we share info here. In fact, they did so a lot more, because the game was new, there was no wiki, and there was a lot more info to share.

So either 20x Enchanters were all terrible players who couldn't cast spells on their list ... or our emulator is doing a bad job of emulating (in the one specific area of charm; it does a pretty amazing job almost everywhere else).
Or the majority of players in 1999-2002 had varying degrees of garbage ISP’s. Going LD means you need to get a rez, maybe a summon. The amount of coffins being burned in 2024 with everyone having a spare epic cleric is like 100/1 that of on Live.

Also, you said 20x more played on live than P99 despite having 20 less years and esoteric knowledge under their belt. That means the average p99 chanter is a more veteran player with a higher risk threshold. I can’t believe I have to explain this but here we are.

It could also be the fact that enchanters are the best solo class in the game and this server has the concurrent player base of a Cheesecake Factory on Friday night.

It it makes you feel any better I have a Torp sham here and only a level 45 enchanter I gave up because it’s not my kind of character. Doesn’t mean the class isn’t objectively better. Just means it’s not for me.
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