Discussion: Play Nice (Training, Bind Camping)

[Vohl]

Here are some thoughts about border cases.

So what happens if someone jumps you while you're a FD class engaged with mobs? FD dumps them on your attackers, in effect training them. I think this is acceptable.

What if a pet class attacks you in a dungeon and you have fear/blind prepped? Sending the pet off to die at the hands of nearby monsters, who then jump the pet caster also seems acceptable. The pet caster can dump the pet if he doesn't like what's happening.

Running away into a room packed full of mobs using invis or FD also seems fine by me. Anyone chasing you would in effect just be training themselves.

Attacking a group that has mezzed mobs in camp, and breaking their mezzes is another matter. In effect, you're sabotaging their CC, causing the enchanter or bard in the group to take an XP death in pretty short order. This seems to be wrong; killing the bard or enchanter while mobs are in camp would have a similar effect.

In more general terms, causing another player to take an XP death from mobs strikes me as wrong and harmful to the game. At the same time, enforcement looks very labor-intensive, if not downright impossible.

[Dontmez_Mebro]

Trains were always a part of EQ. I think it will be easier on the GM's if they just allow it. If some jerk gets known for training then corpse/bind camp him back into childhood.

[gloinz]

Originally Posted by Dontmez_Mebro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trains were always a part of EQ. I think it will be easier on the GM's if they just allow it. If some jerk gets known for training then corpse/bind camp him back into childhood.

amen

[Haul]

Originally Posted by Dontmez_Mebro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trains were always a part of EQ. I think it will be easier on the GM's if they just allow it. If some jerk gets known for training then corpse/bind camp him back into childhood.

This.

[Softcore PK]

When training was allowed (SZ) it did not result in people banding together to grief them, it resulted in EVERYONE training.

lame imo.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Softcore PK [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When SZ was allowed (SZ) it did not result in people banding together to grief them, it resulted in EVERYONE training.

lame imo.

Agreed. You can't have the community police training because there isn't a clear agreement on whether training is even a bad thing. Moreover, players aren't as qualified to spot training when it occurs as GM's are, so it would either result in the community not punishing training aggressively enough, or punishing people who didn't actually train. And if training was allowed pretty much everyone would do it because of how potent of a strategy it is, so the community couldn't police it because everyone would be doing it. As fun as training is, you can't justify allowing it.

[Sarkov]

Play nice policy is stupid on a pvp server.

Glad I'm not on the GM staff, if they want to try and enforce a no-train rule. Good luck with that one.

[Null]

Originally Posted by Sarkov [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Play nice policy is stupid on a pvp server.

Glad I'm not on the GM staff, if they want to try and enforce a no-train rule. Good luck with that one.

Its mostly automated so yea.

[Dontmez_Mebro]

Originally Posted by Null [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its mostly automated so yea.

What if I'm a rogue who has to constantly run to the zoneline with a shout macro button that says "CHOOO CHHOOO! Train is comin!!!!"? Would the automated system find my actions unjust and banish me forever? It's not my fault I have to run anytime I pull more than one mob.

[Wonton]

Originally Posted by Softcore PK [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When training was allowed (SZ) it did not result in people banding together to grief them, it resulted in EVERYONE training.

lame imo.

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